Does anyone have the correct mixing chart in ppg dbc, for 66 milano maroon, I have found a chart for dbu, but want to use DBC. I have sprayed about 6 cards, but haveing trouble converting to dbc. HELP!!!
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Re: 66 Milano Maroon PPG mixing chart in DBC
Contact John Ballard; he has them. Good luck.
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I have emailed John ballard, I see he is not to active on the discusion board. I am hopeing someone has come up with a PPG DBC mix?Comment
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Bill, John took Whittington's job as Regional director. Look on page 2 of "The Restorer" for all his contact info. 502-905-3942.
Car Quest should be able to help you also. JDComment
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Re: 66 Milano Maroon PPG mixing chart in DBC
William, You will not get a proper match to Milano Maroon with a "right out of the book" formula from either PPG or Dupont. The PPG color is too purple and the Dupont color has a huge amount of metallic in it. You will need a competent mixing/shading person to match a close color to an original sample. It took us almost a week and over 30 spray out sheets to match a 66 we did a few years back. Good Luck, JoeComment
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Most of the metallic that is available today is substantially larger than what was used "back when." This is part of what makes the "out of the book" formulae unworkable. Using these new metallics will get you a deduction for "bass boat" metallic. As Joe has said you need a competent mixing/shading person who is willing to work with you and/or your painter to get the correct shade. It will not be easy, but it is worth it in the end.TerryComment
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I believe I have the metalic under control, it is just the shade, sticking with ppg dbc, trying to work with the mixing person at the paint shop. Wish I had my own mixing station like you see at major body shops. I have a few friends with mixing stations at body shops, but they mostly use "sickens paint". Spoke to John Ballard, he gave me some good sugestions, very helpfull.
Oh well spraying a new mix today, I hopeComment
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I didnt want to get into this thread but I guess i will . I was a painter for 42 years .What you forget is that you could not get a panel to panel match on many of these colors even when they were new . Blues ,silvers and golds being the worst . Most of these colors had to be blended to the next panel . The best place to match your paint to is the door jamb around the striker . The formulas they use today are not the same as years ago . That does not matter . Most paint co. color match the color to an current production car and dont worry about the metallic . Dupont still uses the correct metallic and they supplied the paint to the Corvette plant .
CLEAR COAT. Clearcoat changes the reflection value resulting in bad side tones .That means when you look at a car from the side it looks good ,if you move to the right the door can be darker to the quarter , If you move to the left it can be can be lighter . Look at the side of any new Camaro with metallic paint in the sun. Always tint or check your paint matches in the sun !!!! Never try to match or check paint under artificial light unless it is a color corrected light . Also when you use a BC CC you are never going to get a perfect match on a metallic color .Comment
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I intend to have this car at regionals and possibly a national, what standard are the judges going to hold me to? If they have a reference to a standard is it avaliable to everyone?Comment
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I agree with Bill and others. In addition to those items there are several more that can/will produce colors that are much different than the original. One big item is the transparency of metallic mixes because they have to include huge amounts of clear (binder) so the metallic flakes are visible within the paint. Not just on the surface. For unknown reasons, all paint available to the aftermarket industry/service has a much larger percentage of binder to color ratio than OE paint. Because of this, a color that looks close under shop lighting will be much different (lighter) in natural sunlight. The light is able to penetrate deeper into the paint film and that seems to illuminate the film because of the added reflectivity (new word) of the metallic flakes. One way to correct this is by reducing the amount of binder in the mix. You can actually cut this amount in half, or more. That will lessen the effect of color change in different lighting conditions. (and the finished product will look more like factory applied paint) I still don't know why most aftermarket paint has such large quantities of binder. I've reduced the binder volume to 50% several times, over 20 years ago and have absolutely no issues with the paint durability. Another reason why metallic colors change drastically in sunlight is the color of the final prime or sealer. Light colored sealer will have much more of an effect on paint color change in sunlight than dark colors. Maroons seem to like dark colored sealers. Light color sealers seem to make Milano maroon way too red in the sun. I hope these items help. Don't park near other Milano maroon cars at the event.
Last edited by Michael H.; April 15, 2013, 03:37 PM.Comment
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When you look into the oem maroon paint on my 65 you will not see any metallic it is so fine its almost like a solid color .I agree with Mike you should use a dark sealer or primer .Comment
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