"Shut Down" revisited

[William F.]

Not between "a fuel injected Stingray and a 413", but between a '62 340 hp Corvette and a '69 375 hp (same as 425 hp '65 CorvetteBB) Camaro. Think my Corvette would have a chance in a rolling start 1/4 mile or "up to 100"?Friend's Camaro has PS and add on AC, probably weighs 3600-3800 lbs. against my Corvette's 3150. Both with Muncie M21's and 3.70 rears. Any experiences "back in the day" or want to wager-I'll hold the dollar?

[Jerry G.]

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F=MA you win

[Kenneth B.]

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[QUOTE=William Ford (50517);656892]Not between "a fuel injected Stingray and a 413", but between a '62 340 hp Corvette and a '69 375 hp (same as 425 hp '65 CorvetteBB) Camaro. Think my Corvette would have a chance in a rolling start 1/4 mile or "up to 100"?Friend's Camaro has PS and add on AC, probably weighs 3600-3800 lbs. against my Corvette's 3150. Both with Muncie M21's and 3.70 rears. Any experiences "back in the day" or want to wager-I'll hold the dollar?[/
It would be a fun race to watch. I think the Corvette might do better in the 1/4 mi. than to 100. I had a 69 375HP. auto & it was fast. If I had to bet I would put my money on the Camaro.

[William C.]

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You are giving up the corvettes biggest advantage, off the line weight distribution, and losing in carb airflow (directly relates to HP) and torque. You are playing right into the big-blocks hands...

[William F.]

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For accuracy's sake, my'62 corvette has close ration T10, not M21 -had a middle age moment. See the point about better to do a real drag race start but don't want take a chance of tearing something up by doing a banzi, drop the clutch at 3K or above, start. Think starting from standstill would still be to my advantage if I came off the line at about 2K? Camaro more likely to spin unless he eased into it.

[Paul J.]

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So you're afraid of tearing something up in a proper standing start but you're not afraid of tearing something up drag racing? If you drag race you will eventually destroy something, and when you do just fix it.

[Michael J.]

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You are giving up the corvettes biggest advantage, off the line weight distribution, and losing in carb airflow (directly relates to HP) and torque. You are playing right into the big-blocks hands...

+1, the torque is key I think. And BTW, back in '65, my '62 Dodge Polara 413 Max Wedge would take any Corvette, FI, 396, or otherwise.

[Steven B.]

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For accuracy's sake, my'62 corvette has close ration T10, not M21 -had a middle age moment. See the point about better to do a real drag race start but don't want take a chance of tearing something up by doing a banzi, drop the clutch at 3K or above, start. Think starting from standstill would still be to my advantage if I came off the line at about 2K? Camaro more likely to spin unless he eased into it.

Now I do not condone street racing, never have, but if I had ever partook in the activity I would try a few launches between 2500 and 3000 to see where you hook up but don't loose traction. If you don't have soft compound tires you can also play with the pressure in your rear tires for a better launch. (Got bleach???) Practice some power shifts -----

[Dick W.]

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+1, the torque is key I think. And BTW, back in '65, my '62 Dodge Polara 413 Max Wedge would take any Corvette, FI, 396, or otherwise.

Very little I feared when I had a Max Wedge. They were built to race, a quarter mile at a time. Bearing would not last running long distances unless you put a larger oil pan on it. Oil in the valve covers does nothing for rod and main bearings. Don't ask me how I know. Not one engine but two. Third car had a nine quart homemade oil pan

[William F.]

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Stephen,
You're prorbably right; that's why I wanted to avoid a true drag race start; we're caretakers of these cars and while it's good to do some "pulls" to redline and some "light" contests of speed(certainly not on the street), don't want to tear them up with high rpm starts and speed shifting.
Michael,
Yes, torque is important IF you can get it hooked up and not spin. Would think the low torque but high rpm hp of SB Corvette would have a better chance from standing start, if I chose to do it that way. Hp/weight ratio also important-remember Bill Jenkin's L79 Nova that beat many hemis and othe big blocks?Just hoping I might be able to pull off a David vs Goliath deal.

[Michael J.]

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Right, I do remember a certain L79 Nova I used to race in eliminations, and it was about a 50/50 deal over the year. Hooking up is very important, one advantage the full size Mopars had over Corvettes, we could jack the rear up real good with shackles and put monster tires on it, Corvettes were stuck with skinny ones, unless flared and modified, which few I saw were.

[Steven B.]

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Stephen,
You're prorbably right; that's why I wanted to avoid a true drag race start; we're caretakers of these cars and while it's good to do some "pulls" to redline and some "light" contests of speed(certainly not on the street), don't want to tear them up with high rpm starts and speed shifting.
Michael,
Yes, torque is important IF you can get it hooked up and not spin. Would think the low torque but high rpm hp of SB Corvette would have a better chance from standing start, if I chose to do it that way. Hp/weight ratio also important-remember Bill Jenkin's L79 Nova that beat many hemis and othe big blocks?Just hoping I might be able to pull off a David vs Goliath deal.

They are pretty strong little beasts so I wouldn't worry too much about scattering it if it is put together with care and good parts. (Just don't miss a gear!) My 283 was just mapped and a new 097 cam when I dumped the clutch (once) at 6500 and cooked some Bucrons in the mid 1960's. It held together well and the original engine is still there with no broken parts. I have quite a few runs launching between 2500 and 3000 on the strip and street. In 48 1/2 years I have only replaced the clutch once. Chevy built a pretty good machine.

[Michael J.]

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Very little I feared when I had a Max Wedge. They were built to race, a quarter mile at a time. Bearing would not last running long distances unless you put a larger oil pan on it. Oil in the valve covers does nothing for rod and main bearings. Don't ask me how I know. Not one engine but two. Third car had a nine quart homemade oil pan

You're right about lubrication issues, Mopars never were as good as GM for engine parts, top to bottom. And my biggest problems in everyday driving were idling and overheating, tuning was a PITA with those engines.

[Roger G.]

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Not to hijack the thread, but was listening to this song the other day and was wondering the meaning of "two cool shorts standing side by side"...that a SoCal thing?

[Michael J.]

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Not to hijack the thread, but was listening to this song the other day and was wondering the meaning of "two cool shorts standing side by side"...that a SoCal thing?

Good question, probably SoCal surfer slang, and goes with the Jan and Dean "Dead Man's Curve" reference to six tail lights, the famous SoCal dealer option on C2s.....