Point deduction

[Jerry G.]

My judging manual states that no more than 270 points can be lost for a Top Flite award. I assume that is still true? Does anyone know what the maximum points lost is for a C1 at Bloomington gold?

[Patrick H.]

Re: Point deduction

I would contact Laurie at Blomington Gold and see if she can e-mail you a copy of the C-1 judging sheets. You can then determine what your car might score by self-judging and can also see how many points it takes to get each award.
Their scoring system is different than the NCRS.

[Roy S.]

Re: Point deduction

My judging manual states that no more than 270 points can be lost for a Top Flite award. I assume that is still true? Does anyone know what the maximum points lost is for a C1 at Bloomington gold?

I have not seen a c1 score sheet at Bloomington since 1992 but there point structure is almost twice what NCRS's is or it was in 1992. So you will be able to lose approximately twice the points at Bloomington since they have twice as many points allocated. NCRS Top flight requires 94% I think Bloomington Gold is I believe 95%.

[Patrick H.]

Re: Point deduction

It's somewhat of a moot point because the judges don't review your sheets with you at BG in the same way that NCRS does. In addition, there is no "points counting" on the field to see how close you got.
You (the owner) sign the judging sheet and it goes off to be calculated - that's it.

The system is different and the sheets are different. They are two different games that happen to involve the same type of car.

[Joe M.]

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I witnessed the BG judging process last year and it took less than 1 hour to judge an entire C1. That is all I am going to say about the process.

[Dick W.]

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I witnessed the BG judging process last year and it took less than 1 hour to judge an entire C1. That is all I am going to say about the process.

35 minutes including going over the sheets with the owner. I have judged there, it is more of a once over than a judging.

[Joe M.]

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I was being generous on the time.

[Ed N.]

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I understand you have to post your window sticker on the car. Is there a technical way of doing this base on there expectation? Most of the times people just place these stickers inside a plastic sleeve and tape them to the driver side window. Does anyone have any experience with this issue?

[Roy S.]

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I understand you have to post your window sticker on the car. Is there a technical way of doing this base on there expectation? Most of the times people just place these stickers inside a plastic sleeve and tape them to the driver side window. Does anyone have any experience with this issue?

Ed,
This is the NCRS discussion board and best left to discussion of NCRS practices. There is no requirement for a window sticker to be placed on the window of your car in NCRS judging.

[Ed N.]

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Roy, my question was as a result of the previous discussion about Bloomington Gold, compared to NCRS, which seemed to be an acceptable topic. I'm aware that NCRS does not require an window sticker, I was just seeking clarification on BG practice on this topic.

Thanks for the response.

[Roy S.]

Re: Point deduction

Roy, my question was as a result of the previous discussion about Bloomington Gold, compared to NCRS, which seemed to be an acceptable topic. I'm aware that NCRS does not require an window sticker, I was just seeking clarification on BG practice on this topic.

Thanks for the response.

[Terry M.]

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Roy, my question was as a result of the previous discussion about Bloomington Gold, compared to NCRS, which seemed to be an acceptable topic. I'm aware that NCRS does not require an window sticker, I was just seeking clarification on BG practice on this topic.

Thanks for the response.

Ed,

It would be best to ask the folks at Bloomington Gold for the details of window sticker (Morroney Label) judging. Anything we offer here, even though some of us judge for both organizations, carries no weight with the folks in Bloomington IL. In fact in that organization what might be acceptable regarding window stickers in one class, might be different in another class. For that reason getting a "ruling" from the folks in Bloomington might be interesting.

Just FYI: Years ago I had a person bring the original glass, with very deteriorated window sticker, in the box that had contained the replacement passenger side window glass to a Bloomington Gold event. I can not tell you how it was judged -- that part is not my area, and I can't even tell you if the exterior or interior person judges it. However, consider the ramifications of what that owner did. One is admitting the window glass has been replaced in the effort to provide the window sticker for judging. On the surface it seems to me to be cutting off ones nose to spite ones face. But WTFDIK.

[Ed N.]

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Thanks for the response guys, Terry, your story was too funny. Wow, I'm glad we have the NCRS! Let's keep it going strong.

[Terry M.]

Re: Point deduction

Thanks for the response guys, Terry, your story was too funny. Wow, I'm glad we have the NCRS! Let's keep it going strong.

Ed,
I will share something else that still makes some people cringe. I just realized I keep starting my stories with "many years ago" Must be something about that, but at least I can still tell the stories.

Many years ago John Woods and I taught a class at Bloomington Gold about the differences between Bloomington Gold and NCRS judging. It only lasted for two or three years, because it made so many people nervous. The first class I looked up and ALL the Bloomington Gold principals were standing at the back of the room. They were shifting their weight from side to side, and raising up on their tip toes. If I didn't know better I would have thought they all needed to use the toilet. Do you know anything about reading body language? In the midst of what we were presenting I told the class where the toilets were located, but I believe I was being too subtle for almost everyone except John Woods.

I am still surprised they let us do it, and surprised and grateful that it lasted the two or three years that it did. There ought to be no secrets about what any of us do. And there really is no competition between the two groups -- or at least there shouldn't be. There is no reason to think of our two organizations as being in competition; there is room for all of it.

[Ed N.]

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Terry I agree, each group brings its own distinctiveness to the table. It's a matter of choice where one wants to play (sort of speaking). And yes, going on my 25th year in law enforcement, I know a little something about body language (lol).