New laws introduced to block E15 fuel

[Michael J.]

There are two bills, one in the House and one in the Senate, that have been introduced to block allowing E15. This article has links for you to read them:

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2013/03/05/legislation-introduced-in-congress-to-suspend-sale-of-e15-gasoline/?refer=news

Almost every car club and group in my state, mostly classic car clubs but some regular Corvette and Mustang clubs too, are starting to organize letter or email writing campaigns to support these bills. If you are interested, you should write your House rep and Senators.

[Joe L.]

Re: New laws introduced to block E15 fuel

There are two bills, one in the House and one in the Senate, that have been introduced to block allowing E15. This article has links for you to read them:

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2013/03/05/legislation-introduced-in-congress-to-suspend-sale-of-e15-gasoline/?refer=news

Almost every car club and group in my state, mostly classic car clubs but some regular Corvette and Mustang clubs too, are starting to organize letter or email writing campaigns to support these bills. If you are interested, you should write your House rep and Senators.

Michael----


Actually, I don't see too much of a problem with E-15. It's never going to be a replacement for E-10 since E-15 is not compatible with the vast majority of cars currently on the road. So, the only way you're going to see E-15 is if a gasoline retailer decides that there's enough market for it for him to justify adding another tank and pump for it. How many retailers do you think are going to come to that conclusion? And, if a retailer does decide to add another tank and pump(s) for E-15, that's really not going to affect me one bit.

[William C.]

Re: New laws introduced to block E15 fuel

Joe, you are confusing politicians with people who dwell on facts...

[Philip P.]

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It opens the door wider...
My 2 cents anyway
Phil

[Michael J.]

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Joe, we have discussed this a great deal in some of the clubs. The problem is that with even newer cars, like a C5 or C6 Corvette, people believe there will be problems with the fuel, and in a rush for EPA and politicians to push it, it may be the only fuel available as E10 could be phased out within a few years and you will be stuck with it. There are some other reasons to make sure E15 doesn't make it's way to a pump near you, here are some:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/09/23/ten-reasons-to-care-that-e15-ethanol-is-on-the-way-to-your-gas-station/

And some others:

http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/controversial-e15-fuel-blend-is-on-the-way.html

I think many of us never though E10 would be at the pump as your only choice a few years back, but here it is now. I don't want to take a chance, as Bill says, to trust EPA and politicians to have good sense about my cars.

[Jim D.]

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I think many of us never though E10 would be at the pump as your only choice a few years back, but here it is now. I don't want to take a chance, as Bill says, to trust EPA and politicians to have good sense about my cars.

It's been the ONLY choice around my place for 30 years. I still have never had a problem related to it.

[Michael W.]

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It's been the ONLY choice around my place for 30 years. I still have never had a problem related to it.

Same here for 20ish years anyway- just like much of North America. I'm becoming more and more convinced that the supposed 'problems' started only when they put warning labels on the pumps. Amazing that.

[Michael J.]

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Well, it depends on where you live. In the great outdoors of places like NM, where there was no ozone attainment and other EPA rules for the big smoggy city dwellers packed on top of each other, until the MBTE scare hoax, it was in 2003 or 2004 when ethanol made it's debut. And much of it was about the PC "renewable fuels" mandates by government too. That is why this latest initiative by the ethanol lobby is so problematic.

http://www.fuel-testers.com/ethanol_fuel_history.html

[Joe L.]

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It's been the ONLY choice around my place for 30 years. I still have never had a problem related to it.

Jim-----


Are you talking about E-10 or E-15?

[Jim D.]

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Jim-----


Are you talking about E-10 or E-15?

E-10. When I was a kid back in the 70's, I worked at a service station and the boss told me to put these stickers on each pump. They said "Contains up to 10% alcohol".

[Joe L.]

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E-10. When I was a kid back in the 70's, I worked at a service station and the boss told me to put these stickers on each pump. They said "Contains up to 10% alcohol".

Jim-----


Yes, E-10 has been around a long time, but more prevalent in certain areas. E-15 is another story. I don't know of anyplace it's currently available but there may be a few places in the midwest. As far as I know, the only vehicles it could be legally used in are "flex fuel" and pre-emission control vehicles. Other than "flex fuel", I don't think that any current or recently manufactured vehicles are approved for the use of E-15, either by the manufacturers or the USEPA.

[Michael J.]

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You are correct Joe, but if you read this:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/01/29/ethanol-fuel-car-engines/1873733/

It says: "EPA said in a statement that it hadn't reviewed the new report (by an automaker, oil company coalition that showed test results indicating gasoline that has 15% ethanol causes more damage to vehicles than previously known) but said it determined E15 was acceptable for use in model year 2001 and newer cars and light pickups after analyzing test results from Department of Energy and other data. The agency also noted that it isn't requiring the use or sale of E15 or overriding automakers' requirements or recommendations for their vehicles."
But if the new laws aren't passed, E15 will be rolled out. BTW, I have heard back from all my Senators and Congressman, and they plan to support the laws stopping E15.