Protecto plate

[Joseph M.]

Need advice on the judging of the POP. Would it be better to present a POP that did not originate with a car vs not showing one at all? Thanks.

[Michael J.]

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IIRC. the glove box contents are only a total of 10 points, but I think they expect to see all the docs that should be there, including a POP. I had a reproduction one. no deducts. I suspect any '67 POP would be OK, but not sure, they did look and pronounce mine "reproduction", but not sure what an Impala, for instance, would be.

[John H.]

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IIRC. the glove box contents are only a total of 10 points, but I think they expect to see all the docs that should be there, including a POP. I had a reproduction one. no deducts. I suspect any '67 POP would be OK, but not sure, they did look and pronounce mine "reproduction", but not sure what an Impala, for instance, would be.

Michael -

The metal plate used for the Impala was the same, but all the imprinted information would be different (body style, plant, VIN, engine/trans/axle numbers, paint & trim colors, options, etc.).

[Michael J.]

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I know, I just don't know how the judges would deduct for that. 1 point? More? Same deduct as having no POP?

[Jeff P.]

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I always wondered the same, so i bought one for flea bay and plan on taking it to our next judging meet

[Keith B.]

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I did the same for my dads 67 I got him one from a Impala. When judged they took a few points of for not being from a Corvette. My argument was NCRS did not judge the numbers on the POP

[Dave S.]

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I did the same for my dads 67 I got him one from a Impala. When judged they took a few points of for not being from a Corvette. My argument was NCRS did not judge the numbers on the POP

You are better off having a POP/warranty book from another car of the same year rather than none at all. Remember that if you don't have the item you cannot recieve the condition points so a missing POP could be a 2 point deduct. (1 + 1 = 2) Midyear glovebox items are 5 points originaility and 5 points condition. 68-72 cars have 8 points originality and 7 points condition but I believe have more glovebox pieces to allocate points to.

[Joseph M.]

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Thanks for all the input.

[Dale C.]

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Does anyone have a car with VIN 18558? We need to talk as I can make your day. What's that address to the corvette reg, I lost it when I got a new computer. I found it on Google.
Dale

[Reba W.]

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I cannot speak for C2 JGs, but the ones for 1968-69 and 1970-72 both state the POP should match the VIN. However I usually give partial credit for having the material/configuration part of the judging matrix.

[Jim D.]

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You are better off having a POP/warranty book from another car of the same year rather than none at all. Remember that if you don't have the item you cannot recieve the condition points so a missing POP could be a 2 point deduct. (1 + 1 = 2) Midyear glovebox items are 5 points originaility and 5 points condition. 68-72 cars have 8 points originality and 7 points condition but I believe have more glovebox pieces to allocate points to.

That's insane. Either it's the one the car originally came with (full credit) or not (full deduct). You're saying if the OP is missing his owners manual, he can throw one in his glove box from a 1967 (same year) John Deere tractor and he'll get partial credit?

[Terry M.]

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That's insane. Either it's the one the car originally came with (full credit) or not (full deduct). You're saying if the OP is missing his owners manual, he can throw one in his glove box from a 1967 (same year) John Deere tractor and he'll get partial credit?

Sorry Jim that is not how it works. We judge originality on the basis of five parameters: Configuration, Installation, Completeness, Date and Finish. There are 20% of the available originality points for each parameter. If one had a PoP from ANY other 1967 GM product the Configuration (arguably), Installation and Completeness (assUming it is all there and in the warranty booklet), and finish would be the same as the installed factory item. Date may not be correct, or maybe -- depending on what you have. So we have a 40% deduct, at worst case. I don't think the PoP is on a line by itself, but I don't know that is the case for all classes. Even if it is on a line by itself one likely gets enough points to get a condition assessment. NOT a 100% deduction. It would be 100% if it was missing, and that is why one should have any kind of PoP for the judges.

[Dave S.]

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Sorry Jim that is not how it works. We judge originality on the basis of five parameters: Configuration, Installation, Completeness, Date and Finish. There are 20% of the available originality points for each parameter. If one had a PoP from ANY other 1967 GM product the Configuration (arguably), Installation and Completeness (assUming it is all there and in the warranty booklet), and finish would be the same as the installed factory item. Date may not be correct, or maybe -- depending on what you have. So we have a 40% deduct, at worst case. I don't think the PoP is on a line by itself, but I don't know that is the case for all classes. Even if it is on a line by itself one likely gets enough points to get a condition assessment. NOT a 100% deduction. It would be 100% if it was missing, and that is why one should have any kind of PoP for the judges.

Terry,
Thanks for the concise and accurate answer. You beat me to it. We have all to many members who like to berate posts when they have no idea what they are talking about. Maybe Jim should go to a Judging 101 course and learn the basics before he call me or another fellow member "insane". This is just another reason why many experienced people choose not to post on this board.

[Kenneth H.]

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I always wondered why a friend, who helped me when I purchased my 'vette, gave me a POP from another 1970 GM vehicle. Now I know.

Thanks.

[Jim D.]

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Sorry Jim that is not how it works. We judge originality on the basis of five parameters: Configuration, Installation, Completeness, Date and Finish. There are 20% of the available originality points for each parameter. If one had a PoP from ANY other 1967 GM product the Configuration (arguably), Installation and Completeness (assUming it is all there and in the warranty booklet), and finish would be the same as the installed factory item. Date may not be correct, or maybe -- depending on what you have. So we have a 40% deduct, at worst case. I don't think the PoP is on a line by itself, but I don't know that is the case for all classes. Even if it is on a line by itself one likely gets enough points to get a condition assessment. NOT a 100% deduction. It would be 100% if it was missing, and that is why one should have any kind of PoP for the judges.

So using what you say above, why doesn't that formula work on other items that are judged? For example, an engine block. If a car has an engine from a correct year truck (ie: different casting number) they get a 350 point deduction (100%). Shouldn't they get some points since it is, after all, the same configuration,installation and completeness as the original.
My point is, just by being a POP, it's only a partial deduction even though every number on it is incorrect. Why not just a partial deduction for just being an engine?

Terry,
Thanks for the concise and accurate answer. You beat me to it. We have all to many members who like to berate posts when they have no idea what they are talking about. Maybe Jim should go to a Judging 101 course and learn the basics before he call me or another fellow member "insane". This is just another reason why many experienced people choose not to post on this board.

Dave, Who pizzed in your oatmeal? I'm not the only one that has questions about the judging process. Especially the parts that don't make any sense. I never called you or anyone "insane". You may want to read my post again and keep your smartazz comments to yourself.