Machine shop problems with stamp pad

[Tony S.]

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The machine shop owes you alot of money.

[Michael M.]

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I know this is a sad thing to happen to someones block. I know about the vin.# and serial # but once a block is decked the broach marks also disappear. Not sure if lack of broach marks is a extra deduction.

[Bruce B.]

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There are people out there that can restamp blocks and simulate broach marks which have passed NCRs Top Flight judging.
Have the machine shop pay to have the restamp done.

[Clem Z.]

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There are people out there that can restamp blocks and simulate broach marks which have passed NCRs Top Flight judging.
Have the machine shop pay to have the restamp done.

how does this work out in judging since all the NCRS judges now know this owners name ???

[Bruce B.]

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I thought the car was being judged, not the owner...

[Terry M.]

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I know this is a sad thing to happen to someones block. I know about the vin.# and serial # but once a block is decked the broach marks also disappear. Not sure if lack of broach marks is a extra deduction.

NCRS judges 25 points for the engine assembly stamp. 25 points for the VIN stamp. Which the OP may or may not get. One can't tell without seeing the pad and pictures on the Internet are of such low resolution it is not worth the trouble to post them. And the NCRS judges 38 points for the machining marks.

NCRS judges DO NOT use prior knowledge to judge the car. Thus the owner's name being on this board means nothing to them. For all they know he has several 1963 Corvettes and they may be looking at another of his cars.

Bruce is quite correct. There are people who can make a new surface and restamp the numbers (not always the same person has the skill and equipment to do each part of the task). I personally know of restamps that have had no deduction in Regional judging, and expect there are cars that have passed National judging. Most owners of such cars do not talk much about those situations. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the third word of our name is "Restorer." And before any of you ask, I am NOT going to tell you who does these services.

[Kenneth B.]

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I totaly agree with Terry. I know of one pad restorer that is VERY VERY good & he has had his blocks that passed at the nationals & have been certified by AG.

[Tim G.]

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I can tell you that the engine builder deducted $5,000 to $10,000 from the value of your car. How to get that money out of them, even if they have insurance, will be most difficult.

[Clem Z.]

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does this apply here?? looks like it is different in different states if there is a law suit. http://www.mwl-law.com/CM/Resources/...imuinution.pdf

[Justin B.]

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Here's my question: My engine has never been restamped but you can't see any broach marks. I KNOW for a fact that this is the original engine. Wouldn't it be unfair to deduct points for a stamp pad like this simply because it sat in the car's engine bay since it was installed by the factory (Nov. 1957)? Plus, the car was taken off of the road and sat outside under a cover for 27 of those years? Nature does not really care whether or not it is etching away at the surface of the pad. If I where to have points deducted for this "act of nature" then whats the point of even judging it at all? There are a lot of people out there who have extremely sharp and crisp broach marks and in my opinion, those are most likely the restamped blocks. Is this what the judges want to see? If thats the case then I guess I need to take my block to the engine shop and have it decked and restamped so the judges won't deduct points for my original engine..... since they can't see any broach marks

[Terry M.]

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Here's my question: My engine has never been restamped but you can't see any broach marks. I KNOW for a fact that this is the original engine. Wouldn't it be unfair to deduct points for a stamp pad like this simply because it sat in the car's engine bay since it was installed by the factory (Nov. 1957)? Plus, the car was taken off of the road and sat outside under a cover for 27 of those years? Nature does not really care whether or not it is etching away at the surface of the pad. If I where to have points deducted for this "act of nature" then whats the point of even judging it at all? There are a lot of people out there who have extremely sharp and crisp broach marks and in my opinion, those are most likely the restamped blocks. Is this what the judges want to see? If thats the case then I guess I need to take my block to the engine shop and have it decked and restamped so the judges won't deduct points for my original engine..... since they can't see any broach marks

This is OT, but I can't resist:

Justin with an attitude like that it might be best if you go to a meet or two and OJ with the mechanical teams to see how judging really goes. Keep an open mind, and then decide if having your car judged is for you. It is not for everyone. If you go into judging with that kind of attitude I expect it will be difficult for you to have a good time regardless of how your car judges.

[Bruce B.]

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Justin, Terrys advice is excellent.

The car is judged based on the standards established as to the condition the car was in when it left the assembly plant.

So if you have an all original car that sat out for 50 years it would not pass judging even though it was all original.

[Michael W.]

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So if you have an all original car that sat out for 50 years it would not pass judging even though it was all original.

I don't agree that this is always true either. It would score perfectly for originality and appropriately on condition. But it would 'pass' judging. Such a car might make a good Bowtie candidate though.

Justin- the statement that 'all engines have broach marks' is oft repeated but false. There is no requirement that they present, just that the pad surface be typical of factory production.

Take Terry's advice and go to a meet or two before passing judgment.

[Justin B.]

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Bruce, the car sat outside until I bought it. I apoligize that I didn't make it clear that I had bought the car and since restored it. I have been onboard with the NCRS since 1995 (my family has been involved since 1983) and I have been to many of the judging events, (Terry), even on the national level. I have taken this particular car that I am speaking of now, that is, before the restoration started, just for display. I didn't have this car judged and I wasn't planning on having it judged on that particular occasion. But, I heard many of the experts say: "they couldn't decide but, since they DIDN'T THINK THAT THEY SAW any broach marks with their magnification tool then it was probably a restamp." Also, I had a team leader (Master Judge) look at some of its extremely rare parts which came with this very rare option and say "they weren't correct because he hasn't ever seen this part before." I came back the next day with two NCRS Restorer articles detailing these parts to a "tee." If I was having this car judged, I would have lost points on these parts because of this team leader's (Master Judge) lack of experience or willingness to research before deducting. I won't say his name or the National Event simply because thats not my issue and not my style. I know that mistakes are happening on the judging fields and thats ok, we are all human. But, I hear of SO many bad experiences that many of the members have no desire to participate in these types of events again and/or just let their membership expire. They just join their local car clubs and have fun that way.
My issue is that if our organization wants to recruit younger members to keep the tradition going then some of it's current members need to drop the arrogance and the "I'm better than you and my car is better than yours attitude." Some of you older members who have been involved since the 70's and 80's may not see or experience this but it's going on a lot more than you realize. I remember how our organization was before these current times and yes, it was a ton of fun. I'm glad that we have gathered so much more info. through the years about our cars. I'm glad that the judging criteria is more difficult because of this research. But these snooty members need to back up and drop the attitude.
Terry, you are exactly right, This is totally off topic. My earlier posting started this with no harm intended because I love our organization. This is something we may need to figure out in time because it is going on. Maybe some of the members need to call-out those members who are leaving bad impressions on the NCRS. Our organization will not survive otherwise.

[Kenneth B.]

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JUSTIN
There are a lot of us that feel somewhat like you but I think you are pi**en in the wind.This is the path that NCRS took & will not change. 90% of the time the judges understand & will give you a break. A few judge want to let everyone know that they are master judges & know everything about your Corvette. If you want to play the NCRS judging game please understand that parts neeed to be the same as the judging standered not what is original on your Corvette even if you know it was. People do get emotinal when there car is judged & get defensive if a part is judged nontipical even though the know it is original. We need to remember that we do this for FUN. It is not a job. If you need frustration take up golf.