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  • Dennis O.
    Expired
    • November 30, 1988
    • 438

    '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

    A couple of weeks ago, I posted a thread about problems with a Quanta reproduction belt not fitting my '67 L79 with P/S. Long story short, I had the wrong pulley on the P/S pump. I ordered the proper pulley from LIC and installed it. Everything is now as it should be as far as the P/S goes. I then tried to install the alternator belt from Quanta. It is much too short. After looking things over, it is obvious I have the wrong alternator adjusting bracket. The curve does not match the radius of the alternator as it moves through it adjustment "sweep". It is so far off that it was bent to mount on the front of the mounting ear on the alternator to be able to get any adjustment at all. I've got the proper bracket on order now.

    Even if I take the adjusting bracket off, the alternator belt appears to be too short. So now I am thinking I may have pulley problems. Today I took the pulleys off to check them out. Here is what I have :

    Water pump pulley - 3890410 CT - This is correct for an L79 according to the AIM. Some of the replies to my earlier thread say this is incorrect and the pulley should be a 3770245. Can anyone clear this up?

    Crankshaft pulley - 3850838 BG - Acdcording to the AIM this is the correct pulley for a car with P/S and A/C. I believe the AIM is incorrect on this, since it lists 3751232 as the crankshaft pulley for P/S alone. The 3850838 pulley is the basic pulley that goes on first with two grooves; it is all that is needed if A/C is not present. The 3751232 is a single groove pulley that is made to mount in front of the 3850838 pulley. It is required on A/C L79's that use the flat (non-cast) P/S pulley, as shown in the AIM. They obviously have it backwards.

    So now, if I remove the 3751232 pulley, everything should be all right.

    Nope, the alternator belt is still obviously too short. In my earlier thread, someone mentioned that some of the L79 Quanta belts may be the wrong size. Is this so, and is the L79 non-A/C alternator belt one of them?

    After all I've gone through, the time I've owned the car (25 years), and the shape everything is in, I'm starting to think that maybe late in the model year (the car is a late march build) that they ran short of the proper L79 parts and used parts from either an A/C L79 or a base motor car.

    Any thoughts?
  • Michael M.
    Expired
    • September 1, 2010
    • 118

    #2
    Re: '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

    Dennis,

    It just so happens that I was home working on my car today and I went to change my alternator belt to a new Quanta belt I bought a few months ago. The belt was short! I have a 66 power steering L79 w/o AC or AIR, March 23 build date. I think the belts and pulleys are the same for both years. I never thought to check because it looked like the correct size, but it's a bit too short. As far as I know, I have the correct pulleys, etc. I don't know the numbers offhand, but I have the cast 3 spoke ps pulley and the double crank and double water pump pulley. I don't know what pulley is on the alternator, but it's a 37 amp with a small pulley and I don't think it could have a pulley smaller than the one on there now anyway.

    I'll have to see what I have on there now. I won't be back home until Monday. I'll check it out and maybe give Quanta a call about the belt when I have it and my invoice in front of me. It definitely had the correct part number on it. Maybe they have a problem with some of their belts. I'm not sure what they'll do for me anyway, it's been a while since I bought it. I'll post again after I speak to them. Maybe we'll hear from others about it.

    Mike

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    • Dennis O.
      Expired
      • November 30, 1988
      • 438

      #3
      Re: '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

      Thanks Mike,

      Looks like we may be on to something here. BTW my car has the proper 1100693 alternator with what looks to be the proper pulley. I couldn't see a number on the pulley, and someone in a earlier post said the originals didn't have numbers on them, so I didn't pull that one. Can anyone give me the diameter of a correct L79 alternator pulley?

      Thanks

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      • John H.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • November 30, 1997
        • 16513

        #4
        Re: '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

        Originally posted by Dennis Odoms (13959)
        A couple of weeks ago, I posted a thread about problems with a Quanta reproduction belt not fitting my '67 L79 with P/S. Long story short, I had the wrong pulley on the P/S pump. I ordered the proper pulley from LIC and installed it. Everything is now as it should be as far as the P/S goes. I then tried to install the alternator belt from Quanta. It is much too short. After looking things over, it is obvious I have the wrong alternator adjusting bracket. The curve does not match the radius of the alternator as it moves through it adjustment "sweep". It is so far off that it was bent to mount on the front of the mounting ear on the alternator to be able to get any adjustment at all. I've got the proper bracket on order now.

        Even if I take the adjusting bracket off, the alternator belt appears to be too short. So now I am thinking I may have pulley problems. Today I took the pulleys off to check them out. Here is what I have :

        Water pump pulley - 3890410 CT - This is correct for an L79 according to the AIM. Some of the replies to my earlier thread say this is incorrect and the pulley should be a 3770245. Can anyone clear this up?

        Crankshaft pulley - 3850838 BG - Acdcording to the AIM this is the correct pulley for a car with P/S and A/C. I believe the AIM is incorrect on this, since it lists 3751232 as the crankshaft pulley for P/S alone. The 3850838 pulley is the basic pulley that goes on first with two grooves; it is all that is needed if A/C is not present. The 3751232 is a single groove pulley that is made to mount in front of the 3850838 pulley. It is required on A/C L79's that use the flat (non-cast) P/S pulley, as shown in the AIM. They obviously have it backwards.

        So now, if I remove the 3751232 pulley, everything should be all right.

        Nope, the alternator belt is still obviously too short. In my earlier thread, someone mentioned that some of the L79 Quanta belts may be the wrong size. Is this so, and is the L79 non-A/C alternator belt one of them?

        After all I've gone through, the time I've owned the car (25 years), and the shape everything is in, I'm starting to think that maybe late in the model year (the car is a late march build) that they ran short of the proper L79 parts and used parts from either an A/C L79 or a base motor car.

        Any thoughts?
        Dennis -

        My notes (from Mark Gorney's research) indicate that your combination (L-79 with N40, no A/C or A.I.R.) should have a 3858533 crank pulley, 3770245 water pump pulley, 3834720 cast iron P/S pulley, and 3829387 alternator pulley (the only other small-block application for that alternator pulley is L-79 with power steering and A.I.R.).

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        • Dennis O.
          Expired
          • November 30, 1988
          • 438

          #5
          Re: '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

          John,

          Where can I find Mr. Gorney's research? (I have all of the Corvette Restorer magazines for the last 25 year)s. It would seem everything he has in in conflict with the AIM and my car, which I have owned for 25 years and was in good original condition when I bought it..

          Dennis

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          • Michael M.
            Expired
            • September 1, 2010
            • 118

            #6
            Re: '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

            Dennis,

            I did a search on Mark's name and there is a thread started July 21, 2010 that contains one of his replies to a question and there is a pdf attached to it that has the 67 small block configurations for base and L79 motors. Exactly what you're looking for. If I was home I'd scan and email it to you. You shouldn't have a problem finding it. 3858533 cs, 3770245 wp, 3834720 ps (cast), 3829387 alt.

            Mike

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            • Dennis O.
              Expired
              • November 30, 1988
              • 438

              #7
              Re: '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

              John and Mike,

              All respect to Mr. Gorney, but I'm going with the AIM and my car. I'm going to contact LIC and Quanta about the alternator belt. It seems to be an altogether different problem from the pulleys.

              Dennis

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              • Brian K.
                Expired
                • May 31, 2004
                • 358

                #8
                Re: '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

                Dennis my 66 L79 with N40 has the pulleys Mark has researched, I believe he is spot on. Also note the upper alternator bracket for 66-67 N40 optioned cars is different (part # 386882 for N40) this is list in the GM parts books and is not reproduced. My car has been in the famliy since 1972, I've not tried the quanta belts since the car has been sitting since 1978 and is due for a total restore starting this winter.

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                • Michael M.
                  Expired
                  • September 1, 2010
                  • 118

                  #9
                  Re: '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

                  Hi Dennis,

                  I only gave you the link I found because you asked about it. I'm not sure what's up with my car, but I think in my case it's the belt at fault. But who knows, I think I have the correct pulleys but I'm not 100% sure about the alternator pulley. I started to change the belts because the power steering belt was looking kinda weak. That belt swapped out fine with the new Quanta belt. The alternator belt was short though, so something is up with that. I know there are some printed part numbers on the old one, which isn't correct for my car anyway because it's the wrong style belt. Whatever it is, I'll figure it out soon enough. Luckily, I have the belt that's on there already so I'm up and running again. I'll be curious to see what pulleys I have on my car. I think they're correct, but I find out new info all the time. I hope you get to the bottom of your problem without too much more trouble. Good luck.

                  Mike

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                  • Dennis O.
                    Expired
                    • November 30, 1988
                    • 438

                    #10
                    Re: '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

                    Brian,

                    I can't comment on your '66 L79, since I don't have one and don't have a 1966 AIM. That being said, I highly doubt that the 1967 AIM would have both pulley numbers wrong. On top of that, the part numbers quoted by Mr. Gorney are not listed anywhere in the AIM for any 1967 application. I'm going to stick with what I have.

                    Thanks for your input,

                    Dennis

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                    • Dennis O.
                      Expired
                      • November 30, 1988
                      • 438

                      #11
                      Re: '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

                      Mike,

                      Thanks for the link. I checked it out and found it very interesting. t'ts just that I have decided to go with what's in the '67 AIM and what was on my car long term. I also think that you are corrrect about the belts. Once I had the proper P/S pump pulley, that belt fit fine. As you said, the alternator belt appears a bit short. My belt is a Quanta, which I got through LIC. I am going to contact them about this and see what they say. I will let you know what I hear from them. As I said earlier, I had heard about Quanta belts being the wrong size before. Two times may be a coincidence, but more that that......

                      Thanks,

                      Dennis

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                      • Michael M.
                        Expired
                        • September 1, 2010
                        • 118

                        #12
                        Re: '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

                        Originally posted by Dennis Odoms (13959)
                        Mike,

                        Thanks for the link. I checked it out and found it very interesting. t'ts just that I have decided to go with what's in the '67 AIM and what was on my car long term. I also think that you are corrrect about the belts. Once I had the proper P/S pump pulley, that belt fit fine. As you said, the alternator belt appears a bit short. My belt is a Quanta, which I got through LIC. I am going to contact them about this and see what they say. I will let you know what I hear from them. As I said earlier, I had heard about Quanta belts being the wrong size before. Two times may be a coincidence, but more that that......

                        Thanks,

                        Dennis
                        Dennis,

                        No problem. I hope you figure it out to your satisfaction. You might also check the judging guide for 67. There might be some info there that clears it up, or makes it more confusing. There also might be an update further in the back of your AIM. I've stumbled onto some things further back in the 66 AIM that cleared up some confusion on other issues. As a matter of fact I'll be checking mine again when I get home. Between the AIM, the judging guide, this forum and the parts supplier, I can usually come up with a satisfactory answer.

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                        • Mark G.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • February 28, 2001
                          • 227

                          #13
                          Re: '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

                          Dennis -

                          Sorry for the confusion; I'm in san Diego. I have an '66 N40 AIM page revised for L79 configurations. It is a powerpoint
                          file and I don't think it can be posted. Email me markgorney1@gmail.com.

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                          • John H.
                            Beyond Control Poster
                            • November 30, 1997
                            • 16513

                            #14
                            Re: '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

                            Originally posted by Dennis Odoms (13959)
                            t'ts just that I have decided to go with what's in the '67 AIM and what was on my car long term.
                            Dennis
                            Dennis -

                            I think you'll find that the much of the pulley information in the A.I.M. for the '67 L-79 with power steering is incorrect, confusing, and incomplete; Mark has done excellent and comprehensive research on all of the '66-'67 pulley configurations, and I'd go with his chart.

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                            • Dennis O.
                              Expired
                              • November 30, 1988
                              • 438

                              #15
                              Re: '67 L79 Belt problems (again)

                              John,

                              Thanks for the response. I am in contact with Mark Gornly, and maybe I can get to the bottom of this.I do however, find your statemant that the '67 AIM is "Incorrect, confusing, and incomplete" to be somewhat problematic. I thought that the page dedicated to L79's in the N40 section to be quite concise. There is on obvious error that I have pointed out about the C/S pulleys, but that should be self-evident to anyone who has had one of these apart. I find it hard to believe that the AIM has BOTH the W/P pulley and the C/S pulley part numbers wrong.

                              Dennis

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