Hello Everybody, I hope you are all well!2 quick questions:1. Do you lose ALL the points for the vin pad if the motor was lightly decked and the broach marks are gone? Vin number is still legible... but broach marks no longer exist.2. I recently read that there is something that can make your modern paint appear like lacquer, so that you don't lose points for "over-restored" paint. What is this??? I can't remember where I read this, either Corvette Magazine, or Vette, or ??? anyone know what I am talkin about or have experience in this regards... My paint is WAY TOO SHINY for TOP FLIGHT judging!Thanks in advance.... Very BEst,Jacob
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Pad machine marks are 38 points. The pad either gets 38 points, or it doesn't. There is no half way, or quarter way.
A paint job that will receive NO deductions has to start from the beginning to be done to NCRS standards. There is no way to put the toothpaste back int eh tube if the "paint is WAY TOO SHINY."Terry -
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Aqua-Net Extra Hold hairspray works good on door james and hood edges, etc. But I don't think anyone has tried it for the whole paint job
Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New MexicoComment
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Works great in the wind--holds the paint in place, not sure how it works on humid or rainy days!!Comment
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Good answer Bob. It also doesn't work well with a judge that knows what he is looking for.Comment
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If I recall correctly, from viewing Tom Ames video presentation on paint and fibergalss, "WAY TOO SHINY" is not a characteristic of the paint or criteria that will necessarily lead to a deduction in points. Tom's presentation, as I understood, explained that some dealers often waxed some C2's to the point where the paint was extremely shiny.Comment
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Funny story. Several years ago I judged at one of our chapter meets. I had just come from the farm and had a white w/red tip cattle sorting pole on my truck. I put on my dark sunglasses, picked up my sorting pole and used it to walk with, had my judging partner take me by the arm and we went to our first car. We introduced ourselves as his judges and I thought the owner was going to faint.Dick WhittingtonComment
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thanks guys, both for the laughs and the information.
I am going to see if I can find whatever article I read in regards to the paint and share it with you all.
It's too bad that you lose all 38 points for the pad, In my opinion this should be broken down into 2 parts... as a person with an ORIGINAL engine is penalized for having it rebuilt the proper way... I don't don't know if my engine is original or not, HOWEVER I do know that when it was rebuilt the engine builder wanted to deck the head surface... I told him under NO CIRCUMSTANCES was he to remove the i.d. stamp, so he left it... it's not as deep as it once was, but still legible, of course the broach marks are all gone. God Willing, I stick around long enough... maybe in 20-30 years, by the time I reach the average age of a regular NCRS member this rule will be revised.
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JacobComment
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It is way more lenient than it was at one time. Prior to the change you could have lost 350 points. The change was made to help owners such as you.thanks guys, both for the laughs and the information.
I am going to see if I can find whatever article I read in regards to the paint and share it with you all.
It's too bad that you lose all 38 points for the pad, In my opinion this should be broken down into 2 parts... as a person with an ORIGINAL engine is penalized for having it rebuilt the proper way... I don't don't know if my engine is original or not, HOWEVER I do know that when it was rebuilt the engine builder wanted to deck the head surface... I told him under NO CIRCUMSTANCES was he to remove the i.d. stamp, so he left it... it's not as deep as it once was, but still legible, of course the broach marks are all gone. God Willing, I stick around long enough... maybe in 20-30 years, by the time I reach the average age of a regular NCRS member this rule will be revised.
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JacobLast edited by Dick W.; April 17, 2012, 02:34 PM.Dick WhittingtonComment
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You are not losing ALL the pad points. There are also 25 points for each stamp set -- engine assembly stamp and partial VIN stamp. AssUming those are determined to be original you will receive 25 points for each of those. Maybe laying out the entire engine judging would put some perspective on the engine pad judging.thanks guys, both for the laughs and the information.
I am going to see if I can find whatever article I read in regards to the paint and share it with you all.
It's too bad that you lose all 38 points for the pad, In my opinion this should be broken down into 2 parts... as a person with an ORIGINAL engine is penalized for having it rebuilt the proper way... I don't don't know if my engine is original or not, HOWEVER I do know that when it was rebuilt the engine builder wanted to deck the head surface... I told him under NO CIRCUMSTANCES was he to remove the i.d. stamp, so he left it... it's not as deep as it once was, but still legible, of course the broach marks are all gone. God Willing, I stick around long enough... maybe in 20-30 years, by the time I reach the average age of a regular NCRS member this rule will be revised.
Thanks,
Jacob
If the casting number is not appropriate for the date of the car -- deduct 350 points and do not judge the rest of the cylinder case.
If the casting number is appropriate for the date of the car move on to the date.
If the casting date is within 6 months of the car's build -- move on to the pad
If the casting date is more than 6 months before the date of the car's build, or newer than the car's build -- deduct 175 points
If the partial VIN stamp is not the same as the Car's VIN -- deduct 25 points*
If the engine assembly plant stamp is not appropriate (within 6 months before the car's build) -- deduct 25 points*
If the stamp pad does not exhibit normal engine plant machine marks -- deduct 38 points*
* These three items are all or nothing items and no partial points can be awarded.
I am paraphrasing the Judging Manual language here, so don't get all lawyerly on me for the wording. The real wording is on the score sheets.TerryComment
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