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  • Patrick H.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • November 30, 1989
    • 11600

    What is this engine noise?

    As many of you know I spend a few years resurrecting a 72 coupe for a friend. He drove it all summer last year and returned it to me in October for storage. When he dropped it off he wondered if it had a new exhaust leak.
    Last summer we had the original right side exhaust manifold develop a huge crack very quickly and replaced that. In addition, the replacement radiator that was in the car failed (I knew it would) and was replaced by a DeWitts repro.
    Those are the only two issues we've had now that it is back on the road - until now.

    The past week we sealed the exhaust joints at the transmission which had small leaks and I double checked the manifold-to-downpipe joints which have no leaks.
    I have held my hand over all the surfaces of the right side exhaust manifold while the engine is running and can feel zero leaks.
    Just in case this noise was internal I've removed the valve covers a couple of times to inspect and even readjusted the hydraulic valves for cylinders 2/4/6/8, which really were fine and didn't need it.
    Despite this there is still a "ticking" noise on the right side of the engine. Sticking my head all over it is either coming from the exhaust manifold in some way that I can't detect, or it is something internal to the head.
    It sounds like it is near #6 cylinder. I can't feel any ticking at all when touching various parts of the motor as it is running.

    FYI when the car is on our lift there is next to zero noise under the car. And, when standing on the left side of the car the ticking is not that noticeable.

    If you wouldn't mind watching the video of the engine running and giving your thoughts I sure would appreciate it.
    The owner wants to pick up the car in a week, but I'm only home for 2 more days and would like to figure this out.
    I have a spare exhaust manifold available that we could install if needed, but I would like to get some opinions first.

    Video: http://youtu.be/EHwtyLyUAKg

    Thanks!

    Patrick
    Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
    71 "deer modified" coupe
    72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
    2008 coupe
    Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.
  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 31, 1988
    • 43191

    #2
    Re: What is this engine noise?

    Originally posted by Patrick Hulst (16386)
    As many of you know I spend a few years resurrecting a 72 coupe for a friend. He drove it all summer last year and returned it to me in October for storage. When he dropped it off he wondered if it had a new exhaust leak.
    Last summer we had the original right side exhaust manifold develop a huge crack very quickly and replaced that. In addition, the replacement radiator that was in the car failed (I knew it would) and was replaced by a DeWitts repro.
    Those are the only two issues we've had now that it is back on the road - until now.

    The past week we sealed the exhaust joints at the transmission which had small leaks and I double checked the manifold-to-downpipe joints which have no leaks.
    I have held my hand over all the surfaces of the right side exhaust manifold while the engine is running and can feel zero leaks.
    Just in case this noise was internal I've removed the valve covers a couple of times to inspect and even readjusted the hydraulic valves for cylinders 2/4/6/8, which really were fine and didn't need it.
    Despite this there is still a "ticking" noise on the right side of the engine. Sticking my head all over it is either coming from the exhaust manifold in some way that I can't detect, or it is something internal to the head.
    It sounds like it is near #6 cylinder. I can't feel any ticking at all when touching various parts of the motor as it is running.

    FYI when the car is on our lift there is next to zero noise under the car. And, when standing on the left side of the car the ticking is not that noticeable.

    If you wouldn't mind watching the video of the engine running and giving your thoughts I sure would appreciate it.
    The owner wants to pick up the car in a week, but I'm only home for 2 more days and would like to figure this out.
    I have a spare exhaust manifold available that we could install if needed, but I would like to get some opinions first.

    Video: http://youtu.be/EHwtyLyUAKg

    Thanks!

    Patrick

    Patrick------


    It does sound like an exhaust leak to me.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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    • Kenneth F.
      Very Frequent User
      • September 30, 1988
      • 282

      #3
      Re: What is this engine noise?

      Try a length of heater hose about 3ft long as a hearing aid. It is easier to locate the area of the noise.
      Ken

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      • Bruce C.
        Infrequent User
        • November 30, 1988
        • 13

        #4
        Re: What is this engine noise?

        patrick, check the fuel pump,possibly a loose lever causing the noise.bruce crookham(14105)

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        • Larry M.
          Expired
          • November 30, 1986
          • 541

          #5
          Re: What is this engine noise?

          Something with the heat riser?

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          • Tim S.
            Very Frequent User
            • May 31, 1990
            • 696

            #6
            Re: What is this engine noise?

            Have you done a compression test? Bent exhaust valve? (provided you are certain there is no external exhaust leak)

            Tim

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            • Patrick H.
              Beyond Control Poster
              • November 30, 1989
              • 11600

              #7
              Re: What is this engine noise?

              Originally posted by Lawrence Maher (10731)
              Something with the heat riser?
              Tried that, it doesn't vary if I open or close it, hold onto it or not.
              Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
              71 "deer modified" coupe
              72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
              2008 coupe
              Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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              • Patrick H.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • November 30, 1989
                • 11600

                #8
                Re: What is this engine noise?

                Originally posted by Joe Lucia (12484)
                Patrick------


                It does sound like an exhaust leak to me.
                Me too, but usually you can feel the exhaust if you can hear it this much. That's what bothers me about it.
                Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
                71 "deer modified" coupe
                72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
                2008 coupe
                Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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                • Kevin G.
                  Expired
                  • January 31, 2005
                  • 1066

                  #9
                  Re: What is this engine noise?

                  I've never used one but would a smoke machine into the exhaust show any minor leaks in the system?

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                  • Don L.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • August 31, 2005
                    • 1004

                    #10
                    Re: What is this engine noise?

                    Hi Patrick. FWIW, I have found the mechanic's stethoscope (not your work tools ) to be very effective in pin-pointing a gremlin like you describe. I'm sure you've already come up with this idea. Does the "tick" change in frequency and in volume with RPM?
                    Don Lowe
                    NCRS #44382
                    Carolinas Chapter

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                    • Joe L.
                      Beyond Control Poster
                      • January 31, 1988
                      • 43191

                      #11
                      Re: What is this engine noise?

                      Originally posted by Patrick Hulst (16386)
                      Me too, but usually you can feel the exhaust if you can hear it this much. That's what bothers me about it.
                      Patrick------

                      I agree with you. That's what I would expect, too.

                      You could try running some GM Top Engine Cleaner through the carburetor. This creates a lot of smoke which might help identify a leak point.

                      It's possible there's some internal engine problem but it just doesn't quite sound like that. Could be, though.
                      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                      • Clem Z.
                        Expired
                        • December 31, 2005
                        • 9427

                        #12
                        Re: What is this engine noise?

                        use a piece of broom handle on the rocker cover and the other end in you ear and you will be able to tell if it is the valve train. valve train noise is at 1/2 engine speed so slow the engine idle way down. to check the exhaust have someone plug the tail pipe with a rag and hold it in with a rod and then listen for a hissing sound if there is a exhaust leak.

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                        • Patrick H.
                          Beyond Control Poster
                          • November 30, 1989
                          • 11600

                          #13
                          Re: What is this engine noise?

                          Originally posted by Don Lowe (44382)
                          Hi Patrick. FWIW, I have found the mechanic's stethoscope (not your work tools ) to be very effective in pin-pointing a gremlin like you describe. I'm sure you've already come up with this idea. Does the "tick" change in frequency and in volume with RPM?
                          Yes, it is soft at low rpm and louder as you go up - until the whoosh of the fan and the carb drown it out.
                          At 700 rpm when the engine is quite warm you don't hear too much unless you know it is there. At that point it seems to wax and wane just a bit.
                          Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
                          71 "deer modified" coupe
                          72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
                          2008 coupe
                          Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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                          • Michael W.
                            Expired
                            • March 31, 1997
                            • 4290

                            #14
                            Re: What is this engine noise?

                            Originally posted by Patrick Hulst (16386)
                            At 700 rpm when the engine is quite warm you don't hear too much unless you know it is there. At that point it seems to wax and wane just a bit.
                            That would point to an exhaust leak too. The frequency seems to be too high for valve train issues.

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                            • Edward J.
                              Extremely Frequent Poster
                              • September 15, 2008
                              • 6940

                              #15
                              Re: What is this engine noise?

                              Pat, you do have a exhaust leak,I have heard this many times before. sounds like at the manifold to head area. they will sometimes quite down as the engine heats up. the best way to address this is to just try a set of gaskets, this can be done by backing the manifolds bolts out enough to slide the slotted gaskets between head and manifold.
                              New England chapter member, 63 Convert. 327/340- Chapter/Regional/national Top Flight, 72 coupe- chapter and regional Top Flight.

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