delpi vs delco question

[Michael F.]

what is the difference or are they/were they the same???

[Jaime G.]

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what is the difference or are they/were they the same???

Delphi was the successor company to Delco.

[Ronald L.]

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Best description is found at wikipedia, but in a short story AC Delco is a sales trade name of GM and Delphi was a rollup of many GM parts divisions and subsequently spun off from GM in 1999. Not the same at all.

[Tom D.]

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The above is correct, despite the fact that parts of Delphi (as former GM divisions) had Delco in their names. Delco Products is an example. When the name Delphi was created, divisions got new names. The new division names described the products in general. "Engine Management" as a part of the name for the grouping that included the old Rochester Products.

Delphi's divisions were, for the most part, combinations of old GM divisions. There used to be a wall map in Dayton that explained the various older names that became Delco Products. That map was made out of date when Delphi combined Delco Products with others. I don't know of anyone who has a complete map of all such changes.

What's interesting to me is the "new friends" who were forced to work together as Delphi divisions consolidated. Decades of rivalry (within GM) had created any number of stupid situations and redundant efforts. I could go on (and on) about the various computer systems. Lots of hours were spent simply for the sake of "making systems common". All in all, this multi-divisional stuff was a huge burden - a legacy given to Delphi by GM...

[Kenneth B.]

Re: delpi vs delco question

The above is correct, despite the fact that parts of Delphi (as former GM divisions) had Delco in their names. Delco Products is an example. When the name Delphi was created, divisions got new names. The new division names described the products in general. "Engine Management" as a part of the name for the grouping that included the old Rochester Products.

Delphi's divisions were, for the most part, combinations of old GM divisions. There used to be a wall map in Dayton that explained the various older names that became Delco Products. That map was made out of date when Delphi combined Delco Products with others. I don't know of anyone who has a complete map of all such changes.

What's interesting to me is the "new friends" who were forced to work together as Delphi divisions consolidated. Decades of rivalry (within GM) had created any number of stupid situations and redundant efforts. I could go on (and on) about the various computer systems. Lots of hours were spent simply for the sake of "making systems common". All in all, this multi-divisional stuff was a huge burden - a legacy given to Delphi by GM...

I also beleave that when GM sold off most of the parts divisions from from foundries to dashboards they had to pay UAW wages. After the parts contract ran out after 5 years,I think, Contracts for parts were bid on the open market but Delphi & others were stuck with the union wages & benneis while other companys could pay whatever for wages.
KEN

[William C.]

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That is correct, and the result was the bids from the Delphi (former GM) groups were often not the lowest and the business went to the low bidders. Issues of Engineering competence were ignored and much of the old GM component businees is now defunct. GM retained the rights to "AC-Delco" in the aftermarket sales and simply replaced the parts inside the boxes with "generic equivalent" parts from the lowest bidder. One of the reasons true NOS parts are so expensive today.

[Joe L.]

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I also beleave that when GM sold off most of the parts divisions from from foundries to dashboards they had to pay UAW wages. After the parts contract ran out after 5 years,I think, Contracts for parts were bid on the open market but Delphi & others were stuck with the union wages & benneis while other companys could pay whatever for wages.
KEN

Ken-----


Not the foundries. GM retained all of its foundries but has permanently shut some of them down. These include the old Tonawanda foundry, Danville, IL, Massena, NY, St. Catherines, ONT, and several nodular iron foundries in Saginaw, MI. Those still operating as part of GM Powertrain include Saginaw Gray Iron (now an aluminum foundry known as Saginaw Metal Casting), Defiance, OH Gray Iron, Defiance, OH Nodular Iron, Bedford, IN Aluminum Foundry, and Toluca, Mexico. The Defiance, OH and Toluca, Mexico foundries are the only cast iron foundries GM has left and I believe that Defiance Gray iron is converting to aluminum.

[Duke W.]

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Delphi is a company that GM spun off as a separate publically traded company about 20 years ago that consisted of many former GM parts making operations, mostly electrical and electronic. The reason is that GM's vertically integrated structure was no longer viable, and part of the reason was GM's high labor cost.

Delco is now just a marketing outfit, and virtually everything they sell is manufactured by outside vendors. A good example is vintage ignition parts. Most are made by Standard Motor Products, and the same parts from the same plants are available in about half a dozen "brands" including Delco.

It makes no sense to buy a modern manufactured part from Delco. A part in a Delco box no more "original" than the same part in any other brand, so just buy on the basis of price and convenience.

Duke

[Michael F.]

Re: delpi vs delco question

thanks, good info to have

[Kenneth B.]

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Ken-----


Not the foundries. GM retained all of its foundries but has permanently shut some of them down. These include the old Tonawanda foundry, Danville, IL, Massena, NY, St. Catherines, ONT, and several nodular iron foundries in Saginaw, MI. Those still operating as part of GM Powertrain include Saginaw Gray Iron (now an aluminum foundry known as Saginaw Metal Casting), Defiance, OH Gray Iron, Defiance, OH Nodular Iron, Bedford, IN Aluminum Foundry, and Toluca, Mexico. The Defiance, OH and Toluca, Mexico foundries are the only cast iron foundries GM has left and I believe that Defiance Gray iron is converting to aluminum.

JOE
You are right. I should have said GM either closed or sold off the compamies. The reason some foundries were shut down was because no one would buy them because of the wages & EPA problems like Danville IL. They have outsoursed a lot of there Iron & aluminum castings. GM is investing tons of money to upgrade & switch to aluminum. Also Defiance is switching to pouring aluminum blocks & heads. It wont be long before there will be no gray or ductile iron in Corvettes or any other cars.
KEN