Interior Screws 1967

[Timothy B.]

Can someone help me identify these interior screws saved from my 67.

I don't know if they are original, the only location I can think of is radio side panel but after checking archives I have some originals there. Could they be Dorman over the counter screws or be from the convertible top somewhere.

I am looking for the correct screw that holds the carpet to the quarter trim panel trim, could it be this type. Can someone post a picture of this screw so I can see if I have it.

Also, it looks like I used this screw in the door panel. It's the screw that everyone seems to have a different one and it's not shown in the AIM. I would appreciate a correct description of that screw also.

TIA Tim

[Robert G.]

Re: Interior Screws 1967

They look like the kick panel screws to me.

[Alan D.]

Re: Interior Screws 1967

Tim, take a look at Sec 1 sheet C20.00 and see if your screw is listed. Please post part number and will allow us to zero in on it. (my AIM does not show, however it was not used until later)
As for the screws shown - you have a few different numbers and applications.

[Rich P.]

Re: Interior Screws 1967

Not used on a convertable. Not correct for carpet to conv hinge cover.

Rich

[Scott S.]

Re: Interior Screws 1967

I am looking for the correct screw that holds the carpet to the quarter trim panel trim, could it be this type. Can someone post a picture of this screw so I can see if I have it.

Tim,

From what I have researched, this area is a mess, certainly for the 67 coupe which doesn't show ANY screw for the bottom of the rear quarter trim panel in the AIM. You have to go back to the 1965 AIM to find this screw listed for the coupe, even though I see used original coupe rear quarter trim panels (including my own) with TWO screw holes. One large, and one very small.

For your convertible, it should be easier. 1ASM-F14 shows the convertible rear quarter trim panel, the screw is Item 6, 9420430. This is the same screw shown for the coupe and convertible in the '65 AIM, and therefore should be the same screw for 1965-1967 coupes and convertibles.

The surviving example on my passenger side rear quarter trim panel is an indented hex washer head (or flange head, or washer face), measuring 1/4-14 x 5/8". The headmark is an "E" inside four circles.

This screw (GM 9420430) is listed with dimensions in the 1969 P&A, group 8.977, finish is zinc, with a "BT" tip (flat tip, with a vertical cut), all the same as the example from my car, except the finish. It reminds me of the top-center screw for the 1966-67 front grille in general appearance.

Edit: P&A says "Zinc", but mine appeared to be black phosphate

[Gerard F.]

Re: Interior Screws 1967

They look like the kick panel screws to me.

Tim,

As Robert says, they look like kick panel screws to me. Early 67's for each side, had 2 with the beveled washers, and 4 with the loose captive trim washers. Later 67's had all 6 alike with the trim washers. But noboby knows the cutoff date and you see both variations.

I think the radio side panel screws had a solid head and were shorter.

[Timothy B.]

Re: Interior Screws 1967

Thanks everyone for the help,

Scott, I have the hex head screw for the bottom and it's exactly as you describe except zinc plated as mine has a small area around the E headmark still clearly zinc. I am curious what the small carpet attaching screw at the bottom looks like and the length as it may be here somewhere. My quarter trim has a small hole on each side where this screw is used.

Jerry, My early 67 kick panels have the four larger head and two phillips head beveled screws. On the original kick panels, all these screws go through eyelids that are attached to the kick panels to avoid turning the carpet when tightened. There are no beveled washers on these two phillips screws, they bottom on the eyelids and I believe that's the factory assembly as I believe I was the first to remove them on my car. I saved and marked them, and need a source for these eyelids so I can reinstall because I don't believe eyelids are used on the new kick panels.

The screws I pictured almost look like coupe halo panel screws so if someone can post a good pic of these to compare I would appreciate it. Other than that maybe Dorman generic interior screws that are well aged. I can't remember why I saved them..The door panel screw is like this also but I replaced the door panels so I can't say what was on the original except that there is a hole and the flat around the hole is pressed like a washer head screw was used there.

[Gerard F.]

Re: Interior Screws 1967

Tim,

I have my original 67 kick panels in a box, and they have these tubular eyelets which go through both the carpeting and the backing. Some of the replacement kick panels have eyelets but unlike the originals.

Some years ago I tried to find eyelets like the originals but no cigar. You might try some general auto carpet suppliers.

I'm not sure about the beveled washer on the 2 of the 6 screws of the 67 kick panel, as my car came with the 6 alike trim type screws. There is a documented change in the AIM on this.

On the 67 convertible rear door panel screw, this is a mystery. The AIM shows a completely different setup without a screw. I assume a screw was added as a factory change. On my 67, I found a beveled washer screw on the driver side, and a trim screw, like the radio side panel screw, on the passenger side.

Sometimes I think that the factory workers screwed around with the screws, in order to screw up our minds years later.

[Scott S.]

Re: Interior Screws 1967

Thanks everyone for the help,

Scott, I have the hex head screw for the bottom and it's exactly as you describe except zinc plated as mine has a small area around the E headmark still clearly zinc. I am curious what the small carpet attaching screw at the bottom looks like and the length as it may be here somewhere. My quarter trim has a small hole on each side where this screw is used.

Tim,

Mine was corroded to the point where there was nothing shiny left, just that old brown dirt powder look all over. When I cleaned it on the bench grinder with a wire wheel, it was dark metal underneath, so it was a guess that it had been black phosphate. It seems that a large zinc bolt head would stand out like a sore thumb against black carpet in that area, but they were probably all zinc plated.

For the little screw, it's shown on 1ASM-F11, item 5, GM 4816192. This screw is used in several places, the easiest to examine are probably the two that hold each of the pinch-welt caps (see 1ASM-F13, Item 4). From the AIM it doesn't look like convertibles have those, so the next easiest to see looks like it would be on your interior windshield molding (1ASM-F22, Item 16).

It's a small chrome Philips oval head screw with just a slight washer-face around the perimeter of the screw head. Measurement: #8-18 x 1/2"

If no one else has pictures of halo panel screws handy, I'll find mine and try to post some pictures for you this evening.


Correction: the GM 4816192 screw is NOT an oval head. It is flat under the head (not angled like an oval head), and the top is like a very shallow round head screw. According to one of the description guides I have, this screw type is called a "truss countersunk" screw, another calls it a "full truss".

[Timothy B.]

Re: Interior Screws 1967

Thanks Jerry and Scott,

Would everyone agree these screws I have pictured in my first post are not factory installed. I will look around to see if there are any sources for the kick panel eyelits.

Scott, does this screw in the picture look like the carpet attachment screw 4816192. I only have one in my left over box.

[Scott S.]

Re: Interior Screws 1967

Thanks Jerry and Scott,

Would everyone agree these screws I have pictured in my first post are not factory installed. I will look around to see if there are any sources for the kick panel eyelits.

Scott, does this screw in the picture look like the carpet attachment screw 4816192. I only have one in my left over box.

Tim,

I can't say for sure about the screws in your original post, it looks like there are several different screws being shown. Some look like nothing I've seen before, like an upside down (but attached?) interior trim washer, I don't know what that is. One of the others looks very similar to a kick panel screw.

The screw in your immediately preceding post does not look like GM 4816192, but it looks very much like the screws (one per) to the door hinge pillar weatherstrip (1ASM-F16, Item 15), and also used (nine of them, I think) to secure the glove box liner (1ASM-E4, Item 19). If so, it is GM 3825467, picture below. I can't tell for sure about the tip on yours though, it looks like it might be different than the example in my picture below.

Coupes aren't supposed to have this screw at the hinge pillar weatherstrip location, but mine did, as well as other coupes I have seen, so I don't know what to make of the AIM on this subject.

[Scott S.]

Re: Interior Screws 1967

Tim,

Here are pics of what I think are the screws to the pinch-welt caps and carpet to rear quarter trim panels. These screws were used in the following places:

1ASM-F11, Item 5 (carpet to rear quarter trim panel)
1ASM-F13, Item 4 (pinch-welt caps)
1ASM-F22, Item 16 (interior windshield molding, convertible)
A85-A2, Item 4 (secures the buckle container for shoulder seat-belts)

I am not POSITIVE that what I have pictured below (pic #2) is the correct GM 4816192 pinch-welt cap and carpet-to-rear quarter trim panel screws, so if I'm wrong about this (or anything else), someone please speak up.

The reason I'm not sure is because my notes said the pinch-welt cap screws were philips oval head. The screws from my pinch-welt caps are pictured below, and I have one surviving carpet-to-rear quarter trim panel screw (the tiny chrome trim screw), all five are the same. They look like the heads of the pinch-welt cap screws I have seen on other cars, but I can't be certain, since I have not removed anyone else's to examine them. Notice the very SMALL "washer face" or lip around the perimeter of the screw head. I can't tell for sure if that is in the picture of the red '65 or not, and that's the best picture I have of the pinch-welt cap screws.

Picture #1: pinch-welt cap screws (GM 4816192) from a 1965 survivor coupe (same part number called out for the carpet-to-rear quarter trim panel screw)

Picture #2: my four pinch-welt cap screws (GM 4816192)

[Scott S.]

Re: Interior Screws 1967

Tim,

Here is a picture of another screw you mentioned earlier in the Thread.

Picture #1: Halo Panel screws (GM 9417987). These came out of my halo panel. I have a copy of the GM blueprint for this one, and these match it. #8-18 x 7/8", philips oval head, chrome interior trim screw. The trim washers are GM 140270, same ones used on the sun visors in both coupes and convertibles.

This same screw is used for the two uppper rear quarter trim panels on coupes. Threads in the archives say this screw is also the one used at the rear of the interior door panel, with some sort of low-rise washer similar in appearance to the visible part of the ferrules (eyelets) in the kick-panels. Several vendors sell these as a kit now.

This is also the same screw that was used on 1967 kick panels (middle screws only, top and bottom) until it changed to GM 4751359 for all twelve kick panel screws at some point during 1967 production. This screw is shown at the middle upper & lower locations on the kick panels in the 1966 AIM (1ASM-E1, item 9). In the 1967 AIM, item 9 is blank, and the Revision Record says Screw 9417987 was removed on 6-17-66. The actual change on the production line happened some time well after that.


DISCLAIMER ALERT!

I wasn't there, the information I have is what I have been able to piece together from the car I'm restoring, archive threads, the P&As, the AIMs, etc. Most everyone on this board is more experienced than I am, so if (when) I am wrong, somebody please say so (and then explain)

[Scott S.]

Re: Interior Screws 1967

Tim,

Finally, this is the other (and primary) kick panel screw, GM 4751359. It is my understanding that for early 1967 there should be four of these per kick panel and two of the GM 9417987 shown in the previous post. At some point, the 9417987 (two per kick panel, one bottom middle and one upper and forward-most) was replaced with GM 4751359 to match the other four screws in each kick panel, so then there would be six of GM 4751359 per kick panel.

My car was built Jan. 11, 1967 and had four of these GM 4751359 screws (shown below) per kick panel, GM 9417987 was used in the other locations.

I hope this helped more than it confused,

Scott

[Timothy B.]

Re: Interior Screws 1967

Scott,

You efferts helped immensely, I am clear on the halo panel screw, kick panel screws, top and bottom quarter trim attaching screws, radio side panel and now I know what I am looking for on the carpet attaching screw. I will check my 67 windshield moulding if I can get to it for this 4816192 screw as I believe your pics of this screw match the 65 surviver car.

The screws in my first post are all the same, the washer is not thick and some have been tightened to the point where the washer started to invert. They look like generic interior screws which is why I asked about Dormans.

I have my original kick panel screws, (four and two), just need a source for the eyelits so I can fix em right.

What's noteworthy is that I found the original hex head lower quarter trim screw behind the panel and saved it. I went to re-install it yesterday and the reason I never installed it years ago is because the hole drilled into the sill is a very small diameter (maybe .125). The factory worker used a small screw at that location because no way the hex head screw would fit in that small hole so he must have dropped the screw and grabbed a small interior screw and installed it. The other side is correct with the hex screw.