Ethanol Conditioner made by Lucas

[Charles M.]

Lucas has a product called Ethanol Conditioner that helps overcome the corrosion issues with ethanol. It also has stabilizers.

I have been using it in the last few tankfuls of my '62. Of course it is pretty difficult to determine if it is doing any good but seems like a good idea to use.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Chuck

[Stuart F.]

Re: Ethanol Conditioner made by Lucas

Can you list any other claims made on its' behalf by Lucas?

I'm sure a lot are interested - I know I'm listening.

Thanks Chuck.

Stu Fox

[Charles M.]

Re: Ethanol Conditioner made by Lucas

The lucas product is called 'Safeguard'. It comes in a16 oz bottle for $7.95. The following is a description:

[Bruce B.]

Re: Ethanol Conditioner made by Lucas

The MSDS says nothing.
The Technical Data also says nohing except promises...

[Ronald L.]

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Guys, just a month ago we had the same thing going here, these snake oil bottles of promises are a hoax.
Because you spent money on it you are going to convince yourself it works.

#1 skip the alcohol if there is anyway possible.

#2 skip alcohol gas anyway (you did not try hard enough in #1)

#3 we have another thread going at the same time as this saying that alcohol in gas never needs helping additives and that is BS too.

With the alcohol in the gas...it is hygroscopic, that means it pulls the water out of the air.

All your octane boosters, lead substitutes and alcohol protectors end up costing about what it costs to go out and buy regular racing fuel.

Finally, alcohol is an extremely aggressive solvent, once its in your tank, at a ratio of 10% there isn't anything you can do to keep it from attacking everything.

That is why the MSDS the material safety data sheet and its list of active ingredients are zipo.


Look on the web - get real gasoline in your area and then if it is going to sit for more than three months, protect it in the winter with that shown in the post we have here, stabil and marvel.

[Stuart F.]

Re: Ethanol Conditioner made by Lucas

I find it difficult to believe Lucas would put its' good name on just any old Snake Oil product, but that's business I guess.

Stu Fox

[Joe R.]

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Stu,

I too find that it would be hard to believe Lucas would be involved in such tactics to sell a product. They are one of the most respected companies dealing with Oil Research. Lawyers would have shut them down years ago and individuals would have brought lawsuits by the thousands.

Lucas makes several products that are considered fuel conditioners for both gas and diesel engines as well as additives for cleaning fuel injectors. They are recommended by all the top companies that make two and four stroke engines for off the road vehicles. ie. Polaris

JR

[Ronald L.]

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You need to be both a chemist and a lawyer to understand the lingo.

You can't fool mother nature, Einstein physics included.

Petroleum distillates means your are better of with an empty bottle, trade secret protected components included.

Why???

Because if it WAS anything REAL and EFFECTIVE, it would have a patent on it.

Does the bottle have patent applied for on it?

Note trademark does not equal patent.

[Dick W.]

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The lucas product is called 'Safeguard'. It comes in a16 oz bottle for $7.95. The following is a description:

Reading that, it says nothing that none of the other fuel additives say. I have my opinions (and you know what they say about opinions, they are like belly buttons, everyone has one, and they are usually fulla fuzz) about additives and chose not to get slammed here by posting them. Some products are good, some are just "snake oil".

I have not seen anything posted here that is backed or disproved by scientific evidence, just personal opinions.

[Joe R.]

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Reading that, it says nothing that none of the other fuel additives say. I have my opinions (and you know what they say about opinions, they are like belly buttons, everyone has one, and they are usually fulla fuzz) about additives and chose not to get slammed here by posting them. Some products are good, some are just "snake oil".

I have not seen anything posted here that is backed or disproved by scientific evidence, just personal opinions.

Dick,

You mean to tell me that our resident Chemist/Lawyer could be wrong in his opinion (fuzz in the navel) approach?????

I am shocked!!!!

JR

[Dick W.]

Re: Ethanol Conditioner made by Lucas

Dick,

You mean to tell me that our resident Chemist/Lawyer could be wrong in his opinion (fuzz in the navel) approach?????

I am shocked!!!!

JR

[Ronald L.]

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Yup - Show me the evidence that this stuff works. I'll leave it up to you guys to go do the tests.


How do you know that this stuff does what it claims without clear independent scientific tests?

I'll just stick to what has kept my small engine motors to a single pull in the spring, winter for the snow blower...verus fiddling and using ether and or a full tear down to get the buggers running.

[Michael W.]

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I have the opposite problem to many of you guys. Living in Canada, some of the toys get stored for up to six months per year.

I've been using E10 gas for 20ish years on all my vehicles and have never had a moment's trouble. What am I doing wrong?

[Stuart F.]

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Here in Central Florida we have to deal with heat and humidity for much of the year which seems to exasperate the problem with the Ethanol, specially with an old car vented fuel system. Finding aviation fuel is one thing, getting someone to sell it to you is another. As it is now, I have to travel 35 miles round trip just to get 90 octane non-Ethanol gas. Then, yes, I add Max 2000 TEL to the mix to boost it to a level I feel safe with my L-76 engine. It allows me to dial in 38 degrees total (12 initial) and a B28 VAC. The engine runs cool (never overheats in traffic, etc.), and it will pull redline anytime I wish (if I break my self imposed 5000 RPM limit). It runs as good or better as it did for me back in 63, and with the few years I have left that's all I could hope for. The 50's and 60's were a gift from God that will never be seen again.

Stu Fox

[Dick W.]

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Like I said, there is no scientific evidence to prove OR disprove that it does or does not work, only opinions