67 Engine pad Original?

[Ron R.]

Looking at this engine pad, is it original or re stamp? I'm concerned because the J and E are off when I compare them to the ones on County Corvette web site. I know the dies have been known to wear and anomalies have been known to occur. Thanks for your expertise.
Ron

[Bob H.]

Re: 67 Engine pad Original?

Hi Ron:

Can't wait to hear knowledgeable opinions on this. All I can say is mine are arrow straight. Looks like the suffix was changed and maybe with the head in place. Finish of the pad on the lower side looks ok until you get past the date.

Bob

[Joe R.]

Re: 67 Engine pad Original?

Ron,

I would be more suspect of this pad if they were in a perfect straight line. Most if not all BB cars had crooked numbers or letters. It was very pronounced in the later serial numbers as the holders became worn.

This block is smooth and shows no broach marks but that also is common on blocks that have been weathered, cleaned, rusted and cleaned again. Usually the only way to see broach marks is to pull the heads on motors that have been exposed to the elements for a long period of time.

There are a couple of experts on this board and they will let you know what they think sooner or later. They usually wait until later and everyone has jumped in the deep water.

Good luck with your find.

JR

[Joe R.]

Re: 67 Engine pad Original?

Hi Ron:

Can't wait to hear knowledgeable opinions on this. All I can say is mine are arrow straight. Looks like the suffix was changed and maybe with the head in place. Finish of the pad on the lower side looks ok until you get past the date.

Bob

Arrow straight on a BB is a flag waveing in the wind!

JR

[Patrick B.]

Re: 67 Engine pad Original?

If I owned this car, I would certainly not deck it and stamp it in an attempt to improve it despite the criticism it will surely get from NCRS judges. The Tonowanda characters are all perfect including the 9 which is somewhat distinctive, and the vin characters all look very good although they are a little hard to see in these photos. I have never seen the JE characters stamped outside of the holder before, but there is no reason why someone with equipment this good would restamp the block in a way that creates a wierd anomoly. It is a very early engine so maybe that increases the chance of a non-standard factory job.

[Robert G.]

Re: 67 Engine pad Original?

Is it white:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=370&aid=49

yellow:

http://www.mathewscollection.com/former/Former_67_Corvette.htm

or green:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1009&aid=53

[Joe R.]

Re: 67 Engine pad Original?

Is it white:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=370&aid=49

yellow:

http://www.mathewscollection.com/former/Former_67_Corvette.htm

or green:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...ln=1009&aid=53

That's interesting. Not that it means much, but at least the mileage was consistent between when it was white and green (31K miles).

Joe

[Michael J.]

Re: 67 Engine pad Original?

Judges really hate a tidy and consistent, or very straight stamp. I have had my '67 L71 judged several times and it causes a discussion each time on the judging crew. The score so far is that 60% of the judges said it was fine, 40% said it was NTFP. They all said the pad broach marks were fine though, vey interesting. It's all just a crap shoot anyway with engine pads, and remember all BB C2 are suspect until they aren't.

[Patrick B.]

Re: 67 Engine pad Original?

Is it white:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=370&aid=49

yellow:

http://www.mathewscollection.com/former/Former_67_Corvette.htm

or green:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...ln=1009&aid=53

Wow! Do you think this car's documentation always said green and it took several owners to get to the one that liked green, or did it get new documentation and a new trim tag each iteration? These expensive looking paint jobs and interior replacements certainly didn't make money for the owners. The yellow phase makes the least sense.

[Tim G.]

Re: 67 Engine pad Original?

From what I can see of the pictures, I like the pad and stamp.

[Ronald L.]

Re: 67 Engine pad Original?

I have an early 66 BB right in the mix where they recycled the motors, tore them down and restamped them at Tonawanda. You can search this site for more details on that. It does not look like the way they did that rework, altough there is something that appears like cross grinding.

Could this one be just a matter of someone dusting up the last two digits?

There were a lot of J engine codes in 67.

If one would say that the factory did this, why did they stamp them so neatly? So we could have this discussion 45 years later?

[Gene M.]

Re: 67 Engine pad Original?

Wow! Do you think this car's documentation always said green and it took several owners to get to the one that liked green, or did it get new documentation and a new trim tag each iteration? These expensive looking paint jobs and interior replacements certainly didn't make money for the owners. The yellow phase makes the least sense.

The yellow version has a Duntov plate on it in the picture. Makes one wonder what trim tag is on it..........

[Michael J.]

Re: 67 Engine pad Original?

All this about stamps makes me very happy that they laser etch the VIN numbers now on Corvettes, of course in 40 years, this discussion will probably still be going when the next generation of judges get their hands on those cars , I suspect the ZR1s will get extra scrutiny too.

[Brian M.]

Re: 67 Engine pad Original?

Must be Yella, has a window sticker.

Is it white:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=370&aid=49

yellow:

http://www.mathewscollection.com/former/Former_67_Corvette.htm

or green:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...ln=1009&aid=53

[Ronald L.]

Re: 67 Engine pad Original?

How did it get past any kind of judging with this kind of history???