63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

[Tracy C.]

Can anyone provide a picture of a correctly installed set of linkage for the late 63 4 sp Muncie ? I think I have both B/W and Muncie parts and need to determine which are correct and how to install.

thanks,
tc

[Bob R.]

Re: 63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

I don't think you can tell the difference in a photo. The rods are similar legnth but not exactly the same and the bends are different. If you try to fit the borg warner rods on the muncie it should be obvious that they will not fit.

[Edward J.]

Re: 63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

Tracy, If it helps there is a pic. in the 63 assy. manuel of the rods and there mounting.this is what I used for my 63(BW), They will confuse you with the arms and the rods and the way number of ways they will mount.

[Tracy C.]

Re: 63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

Here is a pic of what I have. I believe the two long rods work with either trans, and I need the shorter rod with the pronounced bend for the reverse position.

The levers for the trans seem to have slots oriented differently. Three align with the axis of the lever and the other three have a noticable tilt in the slot.

I have NO IDEA what the wire clip is for, but it was taped to one of the long rods.

If someone can point out which parts I need, I would apppreciate it.

tc

[Gary F.]

Re: 63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

The attached pic is of the muncie rod set-up from a Hurst shifter. The rod configuration has to be very close to what came stock, as far as bends in the rods. Looks like you need a reverse rod.

[Edward J.]

Re: 63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

Tracy, the top three rods appear to be the B/W rods, As for the arms at the transmisson I will have to look tonight at my 63 when I get home from work, The Munice configuration is different, the rods adjustments are at the shifter end,(like the Hurst shifter) And the B/W ones are adjusted at the transmisson side cover end.

[Timothy B.]

Re: 63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

Tracy,

You ask a good question about the rod confinuration between Muncie and Borg Warner. My 63 has a Warner transmission and I will get some pics and post later. I have a problem with the reverse rod installing like the AIM shows and I wonder if mine is a muncie rod.

These pics are of a ebay motor with a T-10 from a while ago and it's interesting to look at the reverse rod and lever on the transmission as that may be what I need. The transmission lever seems bent at a different position where the rod attaches and the rod enters the shifter lever in the opposite direction from the AIM. I think the reverse lever on my transmission is exactly like the one on the left in your pic so it may not be correct for T-10.

Hopefully some members with known original set ups with both transmissions will post to clear this up.

[Tracy C.]

Re: 63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

Tim,

I found some good info in Nolan Adams book on pgs 143-9. The reverse lever on the tranny in your pics doesn't match the drawings shown in Nolan's book.

To others... A Muncie pic would sure be welcomed as it would save me some trial and error time.

thanks,
tc

[Timothy B.]

Re: 63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

Tracy,

I don't know if any of these pics help you but they are what's on my car now. My transmission is a B/W and after reading from the archives I am wondering if the two outside shifter levers are mounted on the shifter wrong. This may be my problem with my reverse rod that's in a small bind. The reverse shifter lever with the most offset may need to go insideclosest to the transmission.

Can you post a picture of your shifter and levers so I can compare what I have.

[Tracy C.]

Re: 63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

Tim,

I'm confident your shifter is configured correctly as it looks like mine. There is a pic of a new repo shifter at the Vette Products of Michigan website for reference as well.

I do not have any rods installed yet.

Do you have Nolan's 63/7 restoration book? If not I can scan some pages with the drawings and send you email.

tc

[Timothy B.]

Re: 63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

Tracy,

I don't have that book but it's on my list. I would appreciate if you could scan the referenced pages and sent them to me. Thanks very much..

My email is tbarb@comcast.net.

[John H.]

Re: 63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

Can anyone provide a picture of a correctly installed set of linkage for the late 63 4 sp Muncie ? I think I have both B/W and Muncie parts and need to determine which are correct and how to install.

thanks,
tc

Tracy -

Photo below is a Muncie with the '63 shifter; don't know how accurate it is, but it's the only one I have.

[Tracy C.]

Re: 63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

Tracy -

Photo below is a Muncie with the '63 shifter; don't know how accurate it is, but it's the only one I have.

Thank you John!! Appears the "cross over" on the 1-2 & 3-4 linkage went away with the muncie design. Just what I needed.

[Tracy C.]

Re: 63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

check your email Tim

[Timothy B.]

Re: 63 muncie 4 speed shifter linkage

Tracy,

According to my 1963 AIM picture the first and second transmission levers are opposite John's picture so the rods should cross. The only difference between the two transmissions is the reverse rod and possibly transmission levers.

I will go look at my GM parts book to see what it says about the transmission levers because they are obviously part of the transmission.