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  • Don H.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • December 1, 1981
    • 1487

    60 FI will not start

    Hi All,
    I need help, this one has me stumped. I have a '60 and have two 7017320 Fuel Units. The "old" unit I have had for over 30 years, the other ("new") I bought in pieces a few years ago and now have running. I removed the "new" unit and
    914 distributor after getting it to run well and re-installed the "old" unit and distributor (running fine when pulled about 1 month ago). The "old" unit would not start, will not even try. It has fire - spare plug & wire plugged into cap shows fire. It has fuel - took loose two different lines at the nozzle and it squirts fuel. I have checked the distributor placement (pulled #1 plug, @ tdc the piston is at top of stroke & it is pointing to #1) and even put the other distributor back in as I had an electronic module in the "old" distributor. I pulled a valve cover and the cam is turning. I have not put the "new" unit back on yet but I have gas so it should run. What am I missing??? I know I am not the smartest mechanic but really this has me . . . Thanks for any help, Don H.
    Last edited by Don H.; August 24, 2011, 09:23 PM.
  • John P.
    Very Frequent User
    • January 1, 2006
    • 162

    #2
    Re: 60 FI will not start

    Hello Donald, Is it possible that you do not have the piston at TDC on the compression stroke? This would position your distributor 180 degrees off. If you have the valve covers off to check the cam, turn the engine by hand in firing rotation. When the intake valve on #1 cylinder closes,the next TDC mark will indicate compression stroke. The distributor should be pointing to #1 wire position on cap. Good luck, John

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    • Don H.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • December 1, 1981
      • 1487

      #3
      Re: 60 FI will not start

      John,
      It is definitely in right - #1 on compression stroke when at tdc. One other "clue" I forgot to mention. It has backfired twice, once out each side during all the cranking I have done. Don H.

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      • Philip P.
        Expired
        • February 28, 2011
        • 558

        #4
        Re: 60 FI will not start

        Is the cap wired correctly? In my younger days I wired the cap backwards could not get the car to start but did backfire a time or two. A friend came by to help and noticed I had put the wires on counterclockwise.
        If you did not remove the wires then this will be of no help.
        Phil

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        • William C.
          NCRS Past President
          • May 31, 1975
          • 6037

          #5
          Re: 60 FI will not start

          Based on the backfires, I'd be looking very closely at the distributor/timing for issues.
          Bill Clupper #618

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          • Don H.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • December 1, 1981
            • 1487

            #6
            Re: 60 FI will not start

            The plug wires are right. Clup, I too thought about distributor/timing so I put the "new" distributor back in that the timing was just set on. It should be very close due to the stationary mount of a FI distributor. I will try to check it while cranking to verify. Thanks all for your input, Don H.

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            • William C.
              NCRS Past President
              • May 31, 1975
              • 6037

              #7
              Re: 60 FI will not start

              not thinking about the wires, I was thinking 180 out? Have you checked the actual timing with the #1 at TDC with the valves known closed. Have a friend run the switch, or use a remote switch and "bump it" over gently until you get a timing flash on #1, then check to insure the valves are closed on #1. At that point you can be insured that the distributor is installed correctly.
              Bill Clupper #618

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              • Don H.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • December 1, 1981
                • 1487

                #8
                Re: 60 FI will not start

                Yes I did it that way and also turned over with no plug to insure it was on the compression stroke.

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                • Michael H.
                  Expired
                  • January 29, 2008
                  • 7477

                  #9
                  Re: 60 FI will not start

                  Originally posted by Donald Heckenberg (5190)
                  Yes I did it that way and also turned over with no plug to insure it was on the compression stroke.
                  Donald,

                  I agree with others. It definitely sounds like the distributor is incorrectly installed.
                  It's possible to feel some light pressure at the spark plug hole when testing for the compression stroke even though the cyl may be on the exhaust stroke.
                  I would remove the left valve cover to see if both valves are completely closed when the rotor is pointing at the #1 terminal in the distributor cap.
                  If both valves are just partially open, (overlap) the distributor has been incorrectly indexed to #1 overlap instead of #1 compression stroke.

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                  • John H.
                    Beyond Control Poster
                    • December 1, 1997
                    • 16513

                    #10
                    Re: 60 FI will not start

                    Donald -

                    Here's what you should see for #1 cylinder's valves when you're on TDC on the compression stroke; both closed.
                    Attached Files

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                    • Ray K.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • July 31, 1985
                      • 370

                      #11
                      Re: 60 FI will not start

                      Donald,

                      I also agree with previous comments about the distributor being incorrectly installed. Rotate the engine until you have both #1 intake and exhaust valves in the totally closed position. Check the position of the rotor to verify where it is pointing, should be #1 cylinder.

                      Ray

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                      • John H.
                        Beyond Control Poster
                        • December 1, 1997
                        • 16513

                        #12
                        Re: 60 FI will not start

                        Originally posted by Ray Kimminau (8917)
                        Check the position of the rotor to verify where it is pointing, should be #1 cylinder.

                        Ray
                        Also known as "the #1 wire tower in the cap".

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                        • Don H.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • December 1, 1981
                          • 1487

                          #13
                          Re: 60 FI will not start

                          You're right, I'm wrong, I'm sorry (I use that on my wife all the time). The distributor was off although I don't understand how that happened. I always mark where the distributor is pointing before I remove . . . obviously I screwed up somewhere. In my defense (if that is possible) I had loosened the valve cove but not loosened the injection to check the rocker arms before. Tonight I loosened the injection to remove the valve cover. After installing the distributor right it literally started in 1 or 2 seconds. Thank you everybody! As a former pastor of mine said, "I don't have alzheimer's, I have sometimers!" Thanks again, Don H.

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                          • Timothy B.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • April 30, 1983
                            • 5186

                            #14
                            Re: 60 FI will not start

                            Donald,

                            I also use those same six words with my wife, they seem to work good though.. Happy wife, Happy life...

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                            • William C.
                              NCRS Past President
                              • May 31, 1975
                              • 6037

                              #15
                              Re: 60 FI will not start

                              Glad you found it.
                              Bill Clupper #618

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