Jack- Scarring from use okay?

[Jerod M.]

Re: Jack- Scarring from use okay?

Changed the permissions to public- try it now.

[Terry M.]

Re: Jack- Scarring from use okay?

Changed the permissions to public- try it now.

I must not be public enough. I still get: "Sorry, that page was not found."

[Jerod M.]

Re: Jack- Scarring from use okay?

another try

https://picasaweb.google.com/100969744342778923232/August222011?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCOa0wZfk_4PBIA&feat=directlink

[Jerod M.]

Re: Jack- Scarring from use okay?

Photos of jack attached

[Jerod M.]

Re: Jack- Scarring from use okay?

Picture Post #2

[Edward J.]

Re: Jack- Scarring from use okay?

Jerod, looks like a nice job to me, really doesn't doesn,t show any scaring.

[Jerod M.]

Re: Jack- Scarring from use okay?

Yes, it looks good I think
The blemishes were not as deep as they appeared initially and were easily fixed.

[Michael F.]

Re: Jack- Scarring from use okay?

I think the judging in our hobby has gone to far, to me "used" is better since that is what GM intended..only my 2cents of course and the reason I will never have my car judged as I have used all my corvettes and they show it.

[Joe R.]

Re: Jack- Scarring from use okay?

Sorry guys but as the Reverend Ernst says, the rule IF you want your Corvette judged by NCRS is:

The way the Corvette left the factory!!!!!!

Don't go making up rules or "that's OK's" to suit your specific needs or wants.

You play in my sandbox and you play by my rules or take your toys and go home!!!!

Now, if your jack has scratches any judge worth his "salt" will deduct points for the usage! If he looks the other way on purpose he should be sent home by the judging chairman. Same way for everything in your Corvette!!!

JR

[Jerod M.]

Re: Jack- Scarring from use okay?

No problem, Joe. This thread was about me getting to know NCRS and its expectations. Some part of me thought that you might rather see a jack with original paint and a small amount of touch-up over any scratches. Since the judging standard is factory new, I restored the finish entirely. I don't have a problem with the expectations, and I appreciate everyone's feedback.

[Joe R.]

Re: Jack- Scarring from use okay?

No problem, Joe. This thread was about me getting to know NCRS and its expectations.

Jerod,

Personally I would rather see an original jack with scratches than a repo without any scratches. And I would judge accordingly. Take off points for condition/finish but give points for originality. I would take off more points on the repo jack for originality and less on the original jack for condition.
AND the judging allows for that as there are more points given for originality.

Also, you bring up a point that has been a problem with the NCRS for years. That is a new guy trying to learn how to restore his/her Corvette correctly and jumps into getting it judged. After his/her sparkling newer restored Corvette gets it second flight or no flight award the owner takes his toys and leaves for home never to return again.

I know it would be complicated beyond belief but I would like to see a novice class where a Corvette Owner could present his Corvette for judging by a group of very knowledgeable NCRS members. No points or awards but the owner would leave with judging sheets and reasonable knowledge of what would be needed to be done to make his/her Corvette a top flight Corvette. And yes, I know that's what the Chapter meet is suppose to do BUT it never happens. It never happens because the Chapter meet deducts points and flight awards are given.

The above situation of a Corvette owner getting his head taken off during judging has thru the years kept the actual membership of the NCRS at the same or about the same level for years. There may be membership numbers above 50 thousand but the actual active membership is closer to the 20 thousand number. I don't have the actual numbers but they are available.

OK, I'm getting off the stump,

JR

[Kenn S.]

Re: Jack- Scarring from use okay?

I've owned a Corvette since a young-un in the Air Force, which is...OMG. Long time ago. I've been lucky enough to own two 1970's, one I sold when I married and had a son. That car I'd lovingly "restored," but to be honest, I probably did more damage than good. Yes, new parts. Yes, wrong parts.

Now I have an opportunity. A 1970 LS-5 with air, and I can do it right or I can whip it out. I'm right there in the middle of that argument--is it worth getting my head lopped off and leaving in disgust/despair, or is it better to do the research, learn, and piece this car back together correctly (hasn't run in over 23 years).

It's an argument I'm sure you've all heard, and there are many out there that would take it outside and settle it that way.

But here's the thing, and there's no way of getting around it. There has to be a judging standard. There has to be a gold measure we can look to for comparing our cars with what is considered correct. Now, it would be nice if the General hadn't thrown so many curve balls in. But the TIMJG is (my hunch) based on more statistical evidence regarding correctness than hearsay or one-offs.

So if we don't use the factory-fresh car as a standard, what is the standard going to be? If any of us just wants trophies, go to a local car show. Your car will clean up, I have no doubt of it.

But if you want to own a car that's proven to be a notch above, that's done with care and attention to the smallest detail, then go for the Top Flight.

I've made the conscious decision to go the Top Flight route. And it'll cost me an extra $20,000, I'm sure of it. But to my way of thinking, the 1970 Corvette is sex on wheels, and the 454 is the ultimate. I want to know what it was like to own one back in the day, well before I could have bought one new. This is the only way that'll happen.

That said, the problem I face, not having a few of these under my belt, is making sure I don't a) destroy something before I realize its importance, and b) make sure I put it back together right, keeping an eye on fit, finish, and functionality. I ask a lot of questions here myself, and probably many if not most members probably consider some questions stupid. But it's the only way we learn outside of chapter meets, and those only happen a few times a year. Lots of days in-between where you have to make a decision based on sketchy knowledge. I'm truly grateful for everyone who pitches in and helps.

I also have this hope, which is the judges all realize the amount of work that went in, are kind when things aren't right, and adhere to a standard and don't interject personal feelings over objective study. We're all human, but we should all also strive to make it fun, make it interesting, and make it fair.

To the matter at hand, I now have an original 1970 (0B) jack. (Thank you, Grant.) And I understand the argument for showing it as an unmolested original part. That said, I can't consider a restoration complete unless the entire car is restored, and this jack could use some work on that front. Works great, but clearly has been used, and not just once or twice. So it'll get the total go-over, and I'll paint it with the same cheap paint the General used. But it'll look like new again, and it ain't no repro. Assuming I do it right, take a point if you must, but I daresay you'll take fewer points than if I did nothing.

[Michael W.]

Re: Jack- Scarring from use okay?

Jerod,

I know it would be complicated beyond belief but I would like to see a novice class where a Corvette Owner could present his Corvette for judging by a group of very knowledgeable NCRS members. No points or awards but the owner would leave with judging sheets and reasonable knowledge of what would be needed to be done to make his/her Corvette a top flight Corvette. And yes, I know that's what the Chapter meet is suppose to do BUT it never happens. It never happens because the Chapter meet deducts points and flight awards are given.

Funny you mention that Joe-

We just got home from our fall Chapter meet. One of the cars we looked at today (which received a well deserved Top Flight) had been the subject of a judging school and 'no points practice run' for the benefit of the new judges and the owner last spring.

Had the car hit the judging floor directly from the resto shop there would have been a lot of 1 and 2 points deducts that might have resulted in a Second Flight, so there is great merit in what you've said above.

I know out chapter is always looking for opportunities to do sessions like this.