Resetting odometer to zero after restoration

[Domenic T.]

Re: Resetting odometer to zero after restoration

Michael,
I agree that all is not inspected in most frame off.

In my case I did replace all bearing ,seals and measured parts to new standards.

But as in aviation they do take an old engine at the factory and erase all hours and call it a O time engine.

When I was building engines to race with some of the pro's said they wouldn't use a new engine they preferred the seasoned ones that were heated up and cooled down (ran enough to take a set).

Personally I love to use seasoned parts as I have been bitten with new ones.

I just bought 2 flight tested cylinders today to machine and install on a O-360 Lycoming.

DOM

[Michael W.]

Re: Resetting odometer to zero after restoration

Paul, I don't appreciate the tone of your personal comments. This is not the CF.

But as in aviation they do take an old engine at the factory and erase all hours and call it a O time engine.

Sorry- but I spent 31+ years with one of the big three aviation gas turbine manufacturers. No legitimate shop 'erases' hours on overhauled engines.

If it had 5,000 hours at time of overhaul it's TSN 5000 and TSN 0. Big difference.

[Paul J.]

Re: Resetting odometer to zero after restoration

[quote=Michael Ward (29001);569639]Paul, I don't appreciate the tone of your personal comments. This is not the CF.

Very well Mike, but I thought that you were attacking me. As you were posting, I was editing out those comments. After all, my post said "effectively brand new", not brand new. Don't make me sick Valeria on you again.

[Domenic T.]

Re: Resetting odometer to zero after restoration

Michael,
No in the recipricating gasoline engines they do O time a factory reman.
If necessary I can post their advertisement.

And I was not trying to discount what you said or by all means make you mad.
I also hold a mechanics licence since the mid 70's and rebuild powerplants in my shop. Not turbine but recip's.

I do agree with the fact that all turbine engines have cycle limited and time life parts but here in the simple wourld of recips we don't do cycles.

I think you are talking turbine and I am talking recipricating.

DOM

[Chris E.]

Re: Resetting odometer to zero after restoration

I left mine alone after a complete restoration, even though I'm in a state that shows "mileage exempt" on the title.

[Rich C.]

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With only 5 digits, (no 100 k spot) who knows how many miles on alot of cars. I wouldn't begrudge either view. I had thought about restting it when I do a COMPLETE frame off on my '73!

'73 LS-4 454

[Dean S.]

Re: Resetting odometer to zero after restoration

Thank you all for your comments on resetting the odometer. I have decided to leave it alone and not reset it.

[Clark K.]

Re: Resetting odometer to zero after restoration

Being that a restoration is simply a collection of repairs done during an abbreviated time frame, why would the odo be reset to zero? It's not a 'new' car by any stretch of the imagination.

I tend to agree with Michael. I wouldn't "tamper" with the odometer. If you do, I would think that if/when you sold the car, you would have to do a lot of explaining about the change (full disclosure). This would bring up questions during the sale process that could cost you a sale. -Clark

[Michael W.]

Re: Resetting odometer to zero after restoration

I do agree with the fact that all turbine engines have cycle limited and time life parts but here in the simple wourld of recips we don't do cycles.

I think you are talking turbine and I am talking recipricating.

DOM

Not to get way way off topic (oops too late ) but I believe that airframe cycles (flights) are recorded even on the lightest of light GA aircraft. Even though there may not be a moving or rotating part involved, metal fatigue is an important factor. I did look up several documents last night regarding props used on recip engines, they do require that TSO as well as TSN be recorded.

Sorry for the hijack Dean.

[Jack P.]

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I have owned my 66 since 1970. The speedometer did not work then at 46,000 miles, and was not fixed until last year. The numbers on the wheel could not be read and the wheel was shot, I replaced the wheel, and I know that I have driven my car over 250,000 miles in that time. Most of the odometers would break at or before 60,000 miles.

Every day driver for 12 years at 20,000 a year and over 25,000 last year.

I started the new wheel at 00,000 and told the DMV it was 103,000 miles.

I think most people who are 2, 3 or 10th owners, to believe the odometer, are being fooled or are fooling themselves, most of it is about money and perceived value of the car

Unless you are the original owner, or the second owner who knew the first one, just enjoy your car

Most of us are in our 60's and who the hell cares about it, we are all going to die sooner or later......

Drive your car and enjoy it, or just look at it , if that is what you like,

But , believe a 40 to 60 old car has only a few miles on it ? ....... and if it does,

To bad for the people who owned it and never drove it for fear of paint, mileage , and wear.

Just my opinion

Jack

[Joe M.]

Re: Resetting odometer to zero after restoration

61 with original 85 k gets listed by NJ motor vehicle as 185k based on assumption.

Mileage may be moot based on individual state's policies or random rogue DMV clerk.

[Jack P.]

Re: Resetting odometer to zero after restoration

61 with original 85 k gets listed by NJ motor vehicle as 185k based on assumption.

Mileage may be moot based on individual state's policies or random rogue DMV clerk.

How many miles ? Does it matter , happy Joe

[Joe M.]

Re: Resetting odometer to zero after restoration

Jack,

Matters not a whit to me!

Just saying how it works.

Happy motoring Buzz!

Joe

[Domenic T.]

Re: Resetting odometer to zero after restoration

Not to get way way off topic (oops too late ) but I believe that airframe cycles (flights) are recorded even on the lightest of light GA aircraft. Even though there may not be a moving or rotating part involved, metal fatigue is an important factor. I did look up several documents last night regarding props used on recip engines, they do require that TSO as well as TSN be recorded.

Sorry for the hijack Dean.

Michael,
What the heck, we can have a conversation during a post also.

Right you are, I do general aviation inspections also. I own 3 recips and one small military jet.

The recips now have 3 log books, 1 for the airframe, 1 for the engine, and 1 for the prop.

The prop now has it's own book (in most cases).

Most all general aviation planes now have a recording tach that is simply like our cable driven tach on our cars but have an hour meter that records a true engine, prop, or airframe hour at a specific RPM. It looks like a spedo odometer in a tach.

2 of my recips have the true hour at 2350 RPM and it is simply the average cruise RPM and the average of idle and max RPM.

I over explained it here in the event some one was interested.

The airframe will always have it's hours and so should the prop and I believe as you the recip engine also but only the original manufacturer can 0 time an engine.

You mentioned cycles and allmost all landing gear on larger planes get cycles recorded by the pilot as well as the jet engine that has a cycle recorded every time it go's from cold to hot and stop. I flew some cycle limited engines that added 1/2 cycle if you used reverse and another 1/2 cycle if you cooled down during a normal approach then used go-around power to abort the approach or landing.

DOM

[Domenic T.]

Re: Resetting odometer to zero after restoration

Nice car, does the HISTORIC on the plate go to the driver or car?

DOM

How many miles ? Does it matter , happy Joe