Need help understanding validating proving a car is orginal

[Dale P.]

This question is about a 67 corvette and proof positive it is what they say it is Without going into the why of this question let me simply call out the facts. 1) no pop with the car 2) no window sticker or any other documentation Except for a tank sticker. So if a tank sticker can be made up not saying this one is. The car does have the ncrs ship to data which matches the tank sticker. But absolutely nothing else. No real owner history that can verify the car as being what it is today. There is an ncrs judging paperwork. How can anyone be certain this car is what it currently shows as? IE big block vs small block as an example.

[Dick W.]

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There is no 100% way of proving/disproving the authenticy. One thing in your favor is the Document Verification by NCRS. There are certain things on the original stickers that the repro's do not have yet. You have a way better than average chance that the sticker and the info is correct.

[Dale P.]

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So in looking at the tank sticker is there anything that the normal person be able to notice or would it take an expert from ncrs?

[William L.]

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This question is about a 67 corvette and proof positive it is what they say it is Without going into the why of this question let me simply call out the facts. 1) no pop with the car 2) no window sticker or any other documentation Except for a tank sticker. So if a tank sticker can be made up not saying this one is. The car does have the ncrs ship to data which matches the tank sticker. But absolutely nothing else. No real owner history that can verify the car as being what it is today. There is an ncrs judging paperwork. How can anyone be certain this car is what it currently shows as? IE big block vs small block as an example.

Send a copy of the Tank Sticker for NCRS Document Verification. Thats a good start. Its strange to me that they got the Shipping Data Report and not the Document Verifaication report. To me that is a red flag.
Bill

[Dale P.]

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Yea, that is what I thought too. If this car is really what It is to be then why isn't (or better yet ) why hasn't the tank sticker already been validated by the owner through ncrs before it was sold. Some of these guys are getting pretty good at making up "documents".

[Kevin G.]

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So in looking at the tank sticker is there anything that the normal person be able to notice or would it take an expert from ncrs?

So, you're saying that we're not normal?

[Pat M.]

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So, you're saying that we're not normal?

Definitely not. When I explain to a civilian that we scrutinize the font on valve stem caps, or the cut marks on keys, or whether a car's exhaust sounds original, I get that "these-people-have-too-much-time-on-their-hands" look.

[Terry M.]

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Definitely not. When I explain to a civilian that we scrutinize the font on valve stem caps, or the cut marks on keys, or whether a car's exhaust sounds original, I get that "these-people-have-too-much-time-on-their-hands" look.

Pat -- you just are not hanging with the right people.

I work in a place called the Operations Control Center (OCC). The operative word there is control. You have not meet anal people until you have met some of my colleagues. The entire system we work with requires the utmost of analism, and every one of them understands what we are about in judging Corvettes. Now if we talk about social acquaintances or relatives -- furgetaboutit.

[Pat M.]

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Pat -- you just are not hanging with the right people.

I work in a place called the Operations Control Center (OCC). The operative word there is control. You have not meet anal people until you have met some of my colleagues. The entire system we work with requires the utmost of analism, and every one of them understands what we are about in judging Corvettes. Now if we talk about social acquaintances or relatives -- furgetaboutit.

Maybe yall should call it the Obsessive-Compulsive Center.

It's weird, I know a ton of OCD people from various walks of life, but nearly every one of them seems genuinely perplexed when I go into some minute detail about a Corvette. Maybe I'm not hanging with the right people...

[Dennis O.]

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Check the U-Joints on the half shafts. They usually have a tale to tell.

[Michael W.]

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Pat -- you just are not hanging with the right people.

I work in a place called the Operations Control Center (OCC). The operative word there is control. You have not meet anal people until you have met some of my colleagues. The entire system we work with requires the utmost of analism, and every one of them understands what we are about in judging Corvettes. Now if we talk about social acquaintances or relatives -- furgetaboutit.

Most of the people I used to work with could serve as characters on The Big Bang Theory television program. I was the only normal one.

[Terry M.]

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Maybe yall should call it the Obsessive-Compulsive Center.

It's weird, I know a ton of OCD people from various walks of life, but nearly every one of them seems genuinely perplexed when I go into some minute detail about a Corvette. Maybe I'm not hanging with the right people...

Believe me, if it were up to me I would call it that. The place is full of certifiable people -- me excluded of course. I have a hard time convincing sane people that we have nothing to do with motorcycles though. Cursed cable television. On a serious note, you should see the way some of my colleagues organize their work stations. It is a hoot.

Back to the original subject. At some point most of us have to take the sum of the evidence the car presents to us as to what it is. Many years ago a wise old NCRS member told me the job of an NCRS judge is to find the story the car has to tell. A good CSI type of examination will tell you all there is to know. As a prospective owner one has to do the same.

[Michael D.]

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...So, you're saying that we're not normal? ...

I resemble that remark.

[Steven B.]

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Check out previous owners, registeries, and people (clubs, shops, etc.) who knew the car earlier in life if possible, and do get all the NCRS documentation. A thorough inspection of the car may indicate if some options were added or original to the car--radiator, diff, etc. if original, cast and stamped numbers, construction of BB hood if one, etc.

As for being anal and OCD I think most of us either are or border on it. I prefer to call it enthusiasm and knowledge. I used to be very anal but I am happy to say I have overcome it. Gotta go and check the front door, lights and oven again. I can't remember when I checked a few minutes ago if the door was locked, the lights were on and if the oven was off. I better check one more time. I also need to check to see if the cars are still in the garage and OK.