Safety motor mount year change?

[Norris W.]

When did GM go to the safety type motor mount from the old type that started on the Corvette in 1963?

[David L.]

Re: Safety motor mount year change?

When did GM go to the safety type motor mount from the old type that started on the Corvette in 1963?

I would say the Fall of 1969.
Dave

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[Ray G.]

Re: Safety motor mount year change?

[QUOTE=Norris Wallace (6139)
I think the full name displayed on internet is the worst idea I've seen lately. It seems like an open invite for identity thieves and maybe car thieves too. Too much info required of members with unique names. For John Doe, Joe Smith or Bill Jones it wouldn't matter but internet searches & locations are uncomfortably easy when there are only 4 or 5 matches in the country.

Hello Norris;
Could the Discussion Board Systems Administrators help you with this question?
Just thinking here.
Ray

[Norris W.]

Re: Safety motor mount year change?

Ray, it's not a question, only an opinion, based on the fact that soon after I put a specific comment about one of my cars on the board I was contacted by an idiot with a foreign accent inquiring about the availability of this car. In the course of the conversation where I was asking his source of information he said that he'd seen it on the internet. Since I do not post on other Corvette forums regularly, and not at all in the last several years, and have never mentioned this car otherwise it was obvious that he saw it on NCRS, which ANYBODY in the world can now access for a free trial and harvest screen names and information. People with relatively uncommon names like mine are easy targets for spammers and scammers who can simply then do an internet search with something like Intellus, or one of the other search engines and find the list of anybody with a given name and then narrow the field. There are office buildings full of people in countries like Nigeria that do NOTHING except scam and steal on the internet and it's a shame that the policy here on this is short sighted enough to give them potential ammunition. I have written to several of the NCRS officials in the past complaining and have never gotten a response. Incidentally, I am aware of at least one other NCRS member who has a relatively unique car and has had a similar experience with an unsolicited contact from a non member who feels with certainty that it was initiated from his full name being displayed here along with an internet search.

[Robert G.]

Re: Safety motor mount year change?

I don't think your name could have been harvested from the NCRS web site. I just did a Google search on my name, Norris', and Ray's like this: "robert gallagher" site:ncrs.org and nothing turned up. Norris, I also checked for your name and the word corvette and got 6 hits, none of which appear related to Corvettes. It would seem that the info has to be gotten some other way than a general internet search.

Regarding the motor mount, I have a 1969 Chevy that has the recall repair for defective motor mounts, so it would have been after that time.

[Norris W.]

Re: Safety motor mount year change?

Robert, if you look in the right place your name and all other Robert Gallaghers in the US will show, complete with addresses and phone numbers and ages. It will also show your relatives and for about 20 bucks a year membership your life history. Yours name not be as common as mine, but last time I checked there were only 4 of us nation wide. I am absolutely positive that the contact in my case got the information from the NCRS website because of the questions he asked that were specific to comments I made HERE on one of my cars and the fact that I have NEVER mentioned it on the internet otherwise. The bottom line is it is a risky and unnecessary disclosure that serves no positive purpose to NCRS other than POSSIBLY making people a little more careful about what they post. The old system that showed only the first name and NCRS number offered full disclosure to NCRS people of who was posting, without sharing it with the world. It's hard to figure what prompted the decision for full public name disclosure.

[Paul J.]

Re: Safety motor mount year change?

Robert, if you look in the right place your name and all other Robert Gallaghers in the US will show, complete with addresses and phone numbers and ages. It will also show your relatives and for about 20 bucks a year membership your life history. Yours name not be as common as mine, but last time I checked there were only 4 of us nation wide. I am absolutely positive that the contact in my case got the information from the NCRS website because of the questions he asked that were specific to comments I made HERE on one of my cars and the fact that I have NEVER mentioned it on the internet otherwise. The bottom line is it is a risky and unnecessary disclosure that serves no positive purpose to NCRS other than POSSIBLY making people a little more careful about what they post. The old system that showed only the first name and NCRS number offered full disclosure to NCRS people of who was posting, without sharing it with the world. It's hard to figure what prompted the decision for full public name disclosure.

I don't understand how you've been harmed by this. Our names are out there from many other sources than NCRS. I'm sorry but I don't share the paranoia that someone is trying to track me down and steal my car. I like having the full name posted so I know who I'm talking to at events and in garages and what our past forum discussions have been. It's also helped me find people who are helping with my restoration.

[Robert G.]

Re: Safety motor mount year change?

Robert, if you look in the right place your name and all other Robert Gallaghers in the US will show, complete with addresses and phone numbers and ages. It will also show your relatives and for about 20 bucks a year membership your life history. Yours name not be as common as mine, but last time I checked there were only 4 of us nation wide. I am absolutely positive that the contact in my case got the information from the NCRS website because of the questions he asked that were specific to comments I made HERE on one of my cars and the fact that I have NEVER mentioned it on the internet otherwise. The bottom line is it is a risky and unnecessary disclosure that serves no positive purpose to NCRS other than POSSIBLY making people a little more careful about what they post. The old system that showed only the first name and NCRS number offered full disclosure to NCRS people of who was posting, without sharing it with the world. It's hard to figure what prompted the decision for full public name disclosure.

I don't disagree with you, but to get information that you're talking about is a two step process. I don't believe the NCRS tech board postings are visible to the outside world. I have found my postings on the Corvette Forum by doing a Google search with my name and a couple other keywords, but never any NCRS postings. I wouldn't object to going back to the old way either.

[Joe L.]

Re: Safety motor mount year change?

I would say the Fall of 1969.
Dave

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Dave and Norris------


I don't think that any 1969 Corvettes, manufactured through December, 1969, received the locking style mounts. I can say, for sure, that my mid-September, 1969-built Corvette did not originally use the locking style mount. I believe the locking style mount was used from the start of production for 1970 Corvettes, though. This model year went into production in January, 1970.

[David L.]

Re: Safety motor mount year change?

Dave and Norris------


I don't think that any 1969 Corvettes, manufactured through December, 1969, received the locking style mounts. I can say, for sure, that my mid-September, 1969-built Corvette did not originally use the locking style mount. I believe the locking style mount was used from the start of production for 1970 Corvettes, though. This model year went into production in January, 1970.

Joe,

My 1969 Corvette Parts Catalog (effective September 1969) lists GM # 3980701 as the engine mounts (the locking type) for a 1969 Corvette. I do not know when the dealerships received the updated parts catalogs but I would assume that they would have the book by October 1969 so conceivably you could buy a 3980701 engine mount in October or November 1969 while the 1969 Corvettes were still in production. I believe the production ended in December 1969 so it is very possible that VERY LATE 1969 Corvettes received the 3980701 mounts. There is only one way to verify this --- physical evidence. How many VERY LATE 1969 Corvettes still have their original engine mounts? I would say either not many or none.

One other problem--- the 1970 V-shields would have to be used with the 3980701 mounts. I guess it would depend on what was available on the assembly line.

Dave

[Steven G.]

Re: Safety motor mount year change?

Joe + David, I looked at my 70', 1/5/70, and they have both safety mounts, I think your time frame is on track. Steve

[Joe L.]

Re: Safety motor mount year change?

Joe,

My 1969 Corvette Parts Catalog (effective September 1969) lists GM # 3980701 as the engine mounts (the locking type) for a 1969 Corvette. I do not know when the dealerships received the updated parts catalogs but I would assume that they would have the book by October 1969 so conceivably you could buy a 3980701 engine mount in October or November 1969 while the 1969 Corvettes were still in production. I believe the production ended in December 1969 so it is very possible that VERY LATE 1969 Corvettes received the 3980701 mounts. There is only one way to verify this --- physical evidence. How many VERY LATE 1969 Corvettes still have their original engine mounts? I would say either not many or none.

One other problem--- the 1970 V-shields would have to be used with the 3980701 mounts. I guess it would depend on what was available on the assembly line.

Dave

Dave-----


Yes, the October, 1969 edition of the P&A Catalog (the first Corvette-only P&A Catalog since 1955) does show the 3980701 for 1969 Corvettes. However, that's because the GM #3967767, the last non-locking style mount, was discontinued from SERVICE effective 10/69 and replaced by the 3980701.

The 1969 AIM does not show the 3980701. The last mount shown is the 3967767. Of course, it's possible that it was replaced by the 3980701 in PRODUCTION and that change is just not shown in the copy of the AIM that is available to us.

Also, there is no change shown in the lower spark plug wire shields for the 1969 model year which would have been required to use the locking style mounts. Once again, it's possible that a change did occur which is not shown in the AIM.

By the way, is your September, 1969 edition of the P&A Catalog a COMBINED catalog (with passenger car and light truck)? As I mentioned above, I have always believed that the October, 1969 edition of the Corvette P&A Catalog was the first Corvette-only P&A Catalog since 1955.

[David L.]

Re: Safety motor mount year change?

Dave-----

By the way, is your September, 1969 edition of the P&A Catalog a COMBINED catalog (with passenger car and light truck)? As I mentioned above, I have always believed that the October, 1969 edition of the Corvette P&A Catalog was the first Corvette-only P&A Catalog since 1955.

Joe,

My September 1969 catalog is Corvette only but almost every page was revised on 10-1-69 so basically my catalog is October 1969.

Dave

[David L.]

Re: Safety motor mount year change?

I looked at my 70', 1/5/70, and they have both safety mounts,

Steve,

Enclosed is a photo of two L/S "V"-shields. They are almost the same except the one marked "1970-1974?" has an additional cutout. I know the other one (on top in photo) is a 1963-1969 "V"-shield.

Whenever you get a chance could you take a look at the left side "V"-shield on your 1970 and see if it looks like my "1970-1974?" "V"-shield? I am in no rush. I am just trying to positively identify the bottom "V"-shield.

Dave

[Ralph S.]

Re: Safety motor mount year change?

My 1969 427 built 12/11/69 has the non capture style mounts, it still has the tin heat shields in place, i bought the car in 1979.