Point deductions for side pipes and vintage air

[Dean S.]

I plan on getting my '65 Coupe judged for the 1st time. I have verified all the matching numbers and dates as well as the glass. I do not have the window sticker or the Protecto-plate. It is a frame off restoration. Nassau blue with the beautiful blue & white interior. 4 speed 327/300hp.

2 questions:

1) Side pipes on car are not originally put on car as verified by friends who judged in the past. (I plan on taking them off to put on standard issue exhaust)

2) Thinking of adding Vintage Air (Do not want to add this if aiming for a Top Flight or 2nd Flight.

Any advice is appreciated.......also getting engine pulled completely out of engine bay as the prior restorer wanted the firewall Nassau Blue as well as the under hood. Getting this all back to sprayed factory black.

[Chuck G.]

Re: Point deductions for side pipes and vintage air

I can't tell you the exact point deduction(s) for add-on side exhaust, but as I recall, it's about 130 or so.

The point loss is calculated based on the presence/absence of number of various components in the "Exterior" and "Mechanical" sections.

You lose points for the absence of rocker panels, the absence of the under exhaust system and its' components, the "missing" tailpipes, the incorrect rear valance and bezels, etc.

I can offer no opinion about the Vintage Air system.

Chuck

[Michael J.]

Re: Point deductions for side pipes and vintage air

I had my '66 judged at a regional recently and had added side exhaust and vintage air. I scored a 92 since all the other items were near correct, though some points lost on finishes, glass dates, interior material (leather)etc. I was very happy with a high 2nd Flight red ribbon as I like the car with those items and didn't want to waste my time taking them on and off. Up to you, but if you are OK with 2nd, put the car as you like it and makes sense from function you want and have her judged so you know where it is in your configuration.

[Dean S.]

Re: Point deductions for side pipes and vintage air

Did they deduct a lot of points for the added A/C? Just curious what other deductions you had as I am needing to make some desiscions on whether to add Vintage Air, remove my side pipes,etc. Thanks

[Michael J.]

Re: Point deductions for side pipes and vintage air

Yes, seems like it was around 100 or so total, but I don't have my judging sheets anymore to check. They deducted for the altered fan belt pulley and belts, radiator evaporator added, aux fans I had, changes to the firewall, heater box, vents, etc. It all added up. Maybe somebody else knows exactly.

[John H.]

Re: Point deductions for side pipes and vintage air

Did they deduct a lot of points for the added A/C? Just curious what other deductions you had as I am needing to make some desiscions on whether to add Vintage Air, remove my side pipes,etc. Thanks

Dean -

Deductions for Vintage Air are for all of the production parts that are missing, not for the VA parts that were added.

[Michael J.]

Re: Point deductions for side pipes and vintage air

Dean -

Deductions for Vintage Air are for all of the production parts that are missing, not for the VA parts that were added.

John, I'm pretty sure they had deducts for my aux fans, the A/C evaporator, and the vents inside, all of which are not standard factory.

[Gerard F.]

Re: Point deductions for side pipes and vintage air

Yes, seems like it was around 100 or so total, but I don't have my judging sheets anymore to check. They deducted for the altered fan belt pulley and belts, radiator evaporator added, aux fans I had, changes to the firewall, heater box, vents, etc. It all added up. Maybe somebody else knows exactly.

Michael,

I've Top Flighted twice on my 67 with Vintage Air. At a regional event, the point loss was 27, at a chapter much less.

I would allow for up to 1% (45 points) for the Vintage Air mods, depending upon the judges. You can easily make this up by driving to the event.

They shouldn't deduct for the add-on parts, only the original parts missing and those parts which have been changed or altered from the original configuration.

Of course, for PV the Vintage Air would be a no-no.

[Michael J.]

Re: Point deductions for side pipes and vintage air

Michael,

I've Top Flighted twice on my 67 with Vintage Air. At a regional event, the point loss was 27, at a chapter much less.

I would allow for up to 1% (45 points) for the Vintage Air mods, depending upon the judges. You can easily make this up by driving to the event.

They shouldn't deduct for the add-on parts, only the original parts missing and those parts which have been changed or altered from the original configuration.

Of course, for PV the Vintage Air would be a no-no.

You may be right, I may be confusing this with the side pipes deducts. But I do distinctly remember the judge commenting that since the original heater box, valves, etc. had been replaced by the Vintage Air unit, he couldn't judge what was not there. So I think he counted it as "missing" along with the damage deducts.

[Dean S.]

Re: Point deductions for side pipes and vintage air

What is the deduction for aftermarket not original to the '65 Coupe, side pipes? I think that I am going to now add the Vintage Air to the car and try for Top Flight but removing the side pipes and putting back the original exhaust system. Any NCRS recommended stock exhaust to put on?
My engine is presently being pulled completely out of the car so the firewall can be sprayed back to the factory black along with the under hood as the prior owner painted it Nassau Blue to match the exterior. Only other thing to do is replace the '66 Egg Crate grill for the stock black '65 grill and change my brake booster from chrome to the GM factory NOS one with the 2 yellow caps.

I will most likely enjoy the ride up to North Florida for the NCRS judging in an A/C'd car rather than a hot interior. Does the Vintage Air actually blow ice cold air similar to a modern day car?

[Chuck G.]

Re: Point deductions for side pipes and vintage air

I will most likely enjoy the ride up to North Florida for the NCRS judging in an A/C'd car rather than a hot interior. Does the Vintage Air actually blow ice cold air similar to a modern day car?

I cannot speak for a Vintage Air installation in a Corvette, but I have Vintage Air in my 56 Chevy hot rod.

It'll make the interior so chilly that Mrs. Chuck needs a sweater.

Chuck

[Michael J.]

Re: Point deductions for side pipes and vintage air

What is the deduction for aftermarket not original to the '65 Coupe, side pipes? I think that I am going to now add the Vintage Air to the car and try for Top Flight but removing the side pipes and putting back the original exhaust system. Any NCRS recommended stock exhaust to put on?
My engine is presently being pulled completely out of the car so the firewall can be sprayed back to the factory black along with the under hood as the prior owner painted it Nassau Blue to match the exterior. Only other thing to do is replace the '66 Egg Crate grill for the stock black '65 grill and change my brake booster from chrome to the GM factory NOS one with the 2 yellow caps.

I will most likely enjoy the ride up to North Florida for the NCRS judging in an A/C'd car rather than a hot interior. Does the Vintage Air actually blow ice cold air similar to a modern day car?

This thread shows some of the variants, it varies by judge, of course.
https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...ction&uid=8137

But probably 80-120 is a good range for deducts. As I remembr, mine was 105. The Vintage Air system works very well. It is limited y vents, as you have the two side vents under the dash on each side, plus the center vents on each side of the console used by the heater too. But, I have used it in near 100 degree temps and on the highway it is very comfortable, but not like a modern Caddy. BTW, the reason I added the aux electric fans to the radiator is to keep her cool in stop and go traffic at near 100. Without that it would have overheated. I have only replaced side exhausts, but you need t make sure it is the proper metal, for side exhaust, carbon steel only (they check with a magnet), avoid aluminized and stainless. I think that is the same for any exhaust.