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  • Wayne G.
    Expired
    • May 4, 2011
    • 75

    60 Fuelie Radiator/Heater Core Questions

    Hello all, this may be the first of a few million resto questions...

    I have to repair the water pump on the car and well the fan and shroud need a little TLC, so going to blast and paint that to new, as well as the motor mount bracket and clean up some of the other parts, motor front grease and paint and some frame and chassis components that are a little greasy and rusty.

    I decided to also pull the radiator to clean the area around the lower hose and as it was easier to get at with it out... the rad is in good shape. But after reading Dewitts site it appears I have a Original GM replacement rad. So the question is this, since it black and a GM replacment with the correct numbers should I leave it black or strip and polish it to alum, this would be pain staking and not sure how the fins would turn out... the top tank is really all that needs paint, also on the Harrisson plate it has the X over the (looks like) 60? vs the 61? looks like a A.

    Also to clarify does anyone know if the side mounts were the 4 screws go threw the rad to the side mounts were black and did they come with the rad as part of the replacement assembly, they are also black and all flakey, I know paint on alum is hard to get it to stick... I don't see primer so would it also be best to use a etch primer or not?

    I have order the manuals I will be needing and they have not arrived yet, so one more on the heater core, I can see I can disconnect the top hose ( will be replacing all hoses with correct number ones at this point ) but I do not see any hose clamp on the bottom, must I take off the box, inside the car to get at it? I have seen 90 degree elbows sold? Is there something I am missing...

    thank you all. and hope to not get carried away with to many questions, I read the post on the $995 resto one from Dewiits, but I don't see the need to spend it since the rad is working and in great shape. Just a few bent fins all fixed up.. Ok one more question. the one horn was mounted on the drivers side rad lower long bolt is this correct? I hope the manuals detail all this... as the car has 3 horns, someone added one and well it really make them sound sweet real loud. Almost sounds like my 82's. All three work. the one on the rad is a factory and the other 2 is one factory and one GM did not pull to look for a PN but again sounds great.

    Ok I have more but thats a start. I will search to see whats what first and try to only ask if I can't find the right anwsers.

    Oh almost forgot, to clarify this is a third tank design has the ribs and the site plug, and is black.
    thanks again.
  • Robert B.
    Frequent User
    • November 30, 1999
    • 56

    #2
    Re: 60 Fuelie Radiator/Heater Core Questions

    Wayne,

    I had your question regarding the finish of the side mount brackets myself recently and I found the answer in the archives at this link:



    Good luck on your project and I hope this helps .

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    • Robert B.
      Frequent User
      • November 30, 1999
      • 56

      #3
      Re: 60 Fuelie Radiator/Heater Core Questions

      Wayne,

      Sorry if the link in my prior response doesn't work (I just tried it and it didn't ), but consensus (doesn't seem like there is total agreement) has it that the brackets were not painted just plain aluminium. Search the archives with "C1 TOP TANK RADIATOR SIDE BRACKETS" or something similar and you'll find several discussions.

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      • Loren L.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • April 30, 1976
        • 4104

        #4
        Re: 60 Fuelie Radiator/Heater Core Questions

        Pit pictures of the Cunningham and Camoradi cars in the pits at Sebring & Le Mans show UNPAINTED top tanks, painted side brackets and painted radiators. There was an addition to the blueprint for the radiator to add a paint instruction to the blue print; this should NOT be taken as a statement that prior to that, the radiator was unpainted; it is merely the addition to the blueprint to reflect what was actual production; Harrison knew that painted radiators cool better.

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        • Wayne G.
          Expired
          • May 4, 2011
          • 75

          #5
          Re: 60 Fuelie Radiator/Heater Core Questions

          Originally posted by Robert Bray (33264)
          Wayne,

          Sorry if the link in my prior response doesn't work (I just tried it and it didn't ), but consensus (doesn't seem like there is total agreement) has it that the brackets were not painted just plain aluminium. Search the archives with "C1 TOP TANK RADIATOR SIDE BRACKETS" or something similar and you'll find several discussions.
          Are you talking about the AACA site? I tried searching that and it just comes up with some sort of tree? Do I need to be a memeber or am I doing something wrong?

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          • Wayne G.
            Expired
            • May 4, 2011
            • 75

            #6
            Re: 60 Fuelie Radiator/Heater Core Questions

            Originally posted by Loren Lundberg (912)
            Pit pictures of the Cunningham and Camoradi cars in the pits at Sebring & Le Mans show UNPAINTED top tanks, painted side brackets and painted radiators. There was an addition to the blueprint for the radiator to add a paint instruction to the blue print; this should NOT be taken as a statement that prior to that, the radiator was unpainted; it is merely the addition to the blueprint to reflect what was actual production; Harrison knew that painted radiators cool better.

            Thanks - I read over the info, I was also going by the fact that 3 designs were used and the REPOS site talks about them and the paint schemes.

            Could it be that I have a factory replacement part, and it is was all black? The top Harrison plate for sure has MINT black paint underneath it! Also the side brackets clearly have mint black paint unerneath the rubber pads... I for sure has been in the car since 1968 I can see the rad was removed maybe once as the screws had 2 impressions in the alum and same for the fan shroud bolts. For sure the radiator was black the paint under the lower and upper rad hoses is just to perfect and protected to not be original. Oh oh after reading those NCRS judging rule book statments of what's in the GUIDE being the key word..., if they are not sure on something then why is it in the judging guide without facts and or proof it was a certain way? There are for sure survivor cars and well knowing GM made 3 styles? And also how parts may have come from vendors in a pinch differently?

            photos








            brackets



            in car photos no paint on the screws





            Ok the first phots shows the alum as black, not doubting anyone here, but it was for sure not painted on the car? Maybe it was out of the car... as you can see that it would have a line if on the bracket if you follow. After looking more at the tank under the tag and brackets, I would say that the top tank was painted. as you can see a etch or run under the tag and it is clearly not all painted. Also the brackets are not painted underneath the rubber pads... close examination shows some paint run underneath tho. Also the tank clearly is factory black paint as it has a thick what I could call epoxy type of paint The one photo of the fill neck shows how it just stops and I can see its like some sort of rubbery (maybe old) coal feel to it type of black paint that stops on the side part just before the neck... So the question is, should I clean the side brackes and make them alum? The tank polish it up and alum or the whole thing black...

            It just looks like underneath the top tank cleary has the same paint as the rad over the welds that attach it... Yes hard to be 100% accurate. But just the way it appears... could the top of the tank not have been painted but the underneath was? Also I show the numbers on the plate and the bottom outlet if that helps....
            Last edited by Wayne G.; May 8, 2011, 04:56 PM.

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            • Robert B.
              Frequent User
              • November 30, 1999
              • 56

              #7
              Re: 60 Fuelie Radiator/Heater Core Questions

              Originally posted by Wayne Gawlik (53294)
              Are you talking about the AACA site? I tried searching that and it just comes up with some sort of tree? Do I need to be a memeber or am I doing something wrong?
              This site....go to SEARCH near the top of this page and enter your search. There is a wealth of info available here on this site's archives.

              I have my brackets cleaned to aluminium but I haven't yet installed my "exact replacement" Dewitts I bought last Corvettes at Carlisle. I'm also interested in what others have to say about the finish of the radiator.

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              • William C.
                NCRS Past President
                • May 31, 1975
                • 6037

                #8
                Re: 60 Fuelie Radiator/Heater Core Questions

                I would suggest you read Mr Lundberg's post on the subject. The pictures he is referring to represent actual "from the era" documentation on this topic.
                Bill Clupper #618

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                • Wayne G.
                  Expired
                  • May 4, 2011
                  • 75

                  #9
                  Re: 60 Fuelie Radiator/Heater Core Questions

                  Originally posted by William Clupper (618)
                  I would suggest you read Mr Lundberg's post on the subject. The pictures he is referring to represent actual "from the era" documentation on this topic.
                  I don't know what photos tho? I searched the internet and I am awair of his cars and all... can someone post a link. I have seen many big brake fuelie cars and have seen different types of tanks and all... if you look at the photos I posted (maybe not super clear ) this car was not touched since 1968 and last driven on the road in 1972, it has only been moved 3 times since, back in 68 the following was done, HD brakes, and backers removed and replaced with regular brakes, FI removed and intake and carb added to be able to drive better all year round ( hehe sounds like no one back then either new about FI, same as my Crossfires...) and the car was scuffed and taped and painted at Roger Penske Chevrolet over top of the Cascade Green ( bummer? or not...?) was not all the pretty back in the day... The one question no one has answered yet is if the HORN was mounted on the lower driver side radiator bolt (the long one that goes thru it...) as that look as it has been like that for years.

                  So what we are all saying is keep it black and polish the tank up a we bit, not to much though? And the side brackets should not be painted?

                  thank you

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                  • Roger W.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • January 28, 2008
                    • 567

                    #10
                    Re: 60 Fuelie Radiator/Heater Core Questions

                    Originally posted by Wayne Gawlik (53294)
                    Hello all, this may be the first of a few million resto questions...

                    I have to repair the water pump on the car and well the fan and shroud need a little TLC, so going to blast and paint that to new, as well as the motor mount bracket and clean up some of the other parts, motor front grease and paint and some frame and chassis components that are a little greasy and rusty.

                    I decided to also pull the radiator to clean the area around the lower hose and as it was easier to get at with it out... the rad is in good shape. But after reading Dewitts site it appears I have a Original GM replacement rad. So the question is this, since it black and a GM replacment with the correct numbers should I leave it black or strip and polish it to alum, this would be pain staking and not sure how the fins would turn out... the top tank is really all that needs paint, also on the Harrisson plate it has the X over the (looks like) 60? vs the 61? looks like a A.

                    Also to clarify does anyone know if the side mounts were the 4 screws go threw the rad to the side mounts were black and did they come with the rad as part of the replacement assembly, they are also black and all flakey, I know paint on alum is hard to get it to stick... I don't see primer so would it also be best to use a etch primer or not?

                    I have order the manuals I will be needing and they have not arrived yet, so one more on the heater core, I can see I can disconnect the top hose ( will be replacing all hoses with correct number ones at this point ) but I do not see any hose clamp on the bottom, must I take off the box, inside the car to get at it? I have seen 90 degree elbows sold? Is there something I am missing...

                    thank you all. and hope to not get carried away with to many questions, I read the post on the $995 resto one from Dewiits, but I don't see the need to spend it since the rad is working and in great shape. Just a few bent fins all fixed up.. Ok one more question. the one horn was mounted on the drivers side rad lower long bolt is this correct? I hope the manuals detail all this... as the car has 3 horns, someone added one and well it really make them sound sweet real loud. Almost sounds like my 82's. All three work. the one on the rad is a factory and the other 2 is one factory and one GM did not pull to look for a PN but again sounds great.

                    Ok I have more but thats a start. I will search to see whats what first and try to only ask if I can't find the right anwsers.

                    Oh almost forgot, to clarify this is a third tank design has the ribs and the site plug, and is black.
                    thanks again.
                    I purchased a 60 top tank radiator in the 1970's from my local Chevy Dealer to install into my 59. I had to to alot of fabrication on my radiator support, but I got it to fit. The replacement radiator is all black. There are no plain aluminum parts, including the side mounts. The part number on the tag on the top is: 3151116 There is another little box to the right with the numbers 66-E stamped. There are ribs on the tank and there is a site plug.

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                    • Wayne G.
                      Expired
                      • May 4, 2011
                      • 75

                      #11
                      Re: 60 Fuelie Radiator/Heater Core Questions

                      Originally posted by Roger Williams (48508)
                      I purchased a 60 top tank radiator in the 1970's from my local Chevy Dealer to install into my 59. I had to to alot of fabrication on my radiator support, but I got it to fit. The replacement radiator is all black. There are no plain aluminum parts, including the side mounts. The part number on the tag on the top is: 3151116 There is another little box to the right with the numbers 66-E stamped. There are ribs on the tank and there is a site plug.
                      Yes, thank you for the info...

                      So I think to put this to rest, I truely believe I have a all black factory GM replacement part also, I remember it being replaced.

                      Is this OK for a restored car?
                      I cannot see the 60? and the letter on my plate but I would guess a E if I had to, does that mean anything? E for exchange... hehe my plate has a 60? and a 61? with a clear X stamped over the 60 side... I just can't make out the letter.

                      What is better a factory original? A factory replacement part? Or a orignal that shows obvious repair or rebuild in NCRS judging.

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                      • Loren L.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • April 30, 1976
                        • 4104

                        #12
                        Re: 60 Fuelie Radiator/Heater Core Questions

                        Driver's side horn mounts in the standard position, NOT attached to the radiator or its support.

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                        • Robert B.
                          Frequent User
                          • November 30, 1999
                          • 56

                          #13
                          Re: 60 Fuelie Radiator/Heater Core Questions

                          Wayne,

                          Heres a photo of the horns for your '60:

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