Top flight Award
How does Bloomington Gold compare to Top flight Award the Corvette got 96.% at a National event at both shows what would you think of condition of the Corvette getting back to back 96.% would you think this corvette is a real a complete Authentic number- matching Corvette or would it need more judging to be done for the car to be real.
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How does Bloomington Gold compare to Top flight Award the Corvette got 96.% at a National event at both shows what would you think of condition of the Corvette getting back to back 96.% would you think this corvette is a real a complete Authentic number- matching Corvette or would it need more judging to be done for the car to be real.
Last edited by Frank S.; March 22, 2011, 10:17 AM. -
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Frank, it sounds like you are looking at a car to buy?? There are some differences in the judging of the two organizations and if a car scored 96 points there is no guarantee condition is currently the same or the parts that got it to 96 points are still with the car. (As simple as changing out headlights and tires to very good restamps.) If you are looking at a car you are unfamiliar with and not experienced with I would have an experienced person check it out. Alot of cars have been purchased and later discovered not to be what the purchaser thought or hoped it was. Some sellers are expert and very honest, some not expert and honest, and some neither.
Good Luck!
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Frank-
No amount of NCRS Flight Judging will authenticate or guarantee that a car is 'real'. That's not the purpose of the judging. Trying to make it so is pounding a square peg into a round hole. 'Numbers matching' is an ambiguous and hackneyed term not used in judging.
Can't speak about Bloomington.Comment
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thank you for the info.Comment
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I want to highlight one thing that was mentioned, but might not have been obvious.
If a car you are looking to purchase has received a 96% award at both Bloomington and NCRS, the DATE it received those awards is pretty critical.
Said another way, if a car JUST went through judging last year, it is more likely still in that condition than if it had gone through judging a few years ago. Plus, both organizations have been continually learning about the authenticity of these cars over time. So the collective pool of judging KNOWLEDGE is increasing. That makes it harder for cars to get Top Flight and Bloomington Gold now than it did back 10 years ago.
Judging awards are a "point in time" view of the car. Be careful. Like someone else said, not all sellers are honest.Chris Enstrom
North Central Chapter Judging Chairman
1967 Rally Red convertible, 327/350, 4 speed, Duntov @ Hampton in 2013, Founders @ KC in 2014, family owned since 1973
2011 Z06, red/redComment
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So a 96% at national events back to back a year ago don,t mean anything good about the car so what the point of judging it then , don,t the judges check the number matching and everything else if it the car is real or not and if all parts and component are real to the that year of make,
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Frank-
You're making a lot of wide sweeping generalities based on assumptions of what Flight Judging 'must be'.
Yes 'the numbers' are checked but as to whether the car is genuine or is a perfect clone is beyond the scope or purpose. Best read up on how it all works before making any commitments.
A 96% car might or might not have the original engine- the stamp pad counts for relatively little in judging. A car might lose more points by not having a working cigarette lighter and a few burnt out bulbs during the ops check.
Knowledge is power.
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thanks again for the info.Comment
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Frank,
You might want to give the car some exposure, is it on ebay?
NCRS offers Doc validation, are the doc's even real that are being presented, etc. Lots of things to consider and doing it from remote has its one risk, get some eyes on the car...Comment
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So a 96% at national events back to back a year ago don,t mean anything good about the car so what the point of judging it then , don,t the judges check the number matching and everything else if it the car is real or not and if all parts and component are real to the that year of make,???
Frank, as an example the second owner of a told me there was a Corvette that received Top Flight and BG in the past couple of years. The car was advertised after receipt of the awards with original engine, etc. The second owner, who I have known since '89, told me he spoke with the original owner and was told how the original engine was blown, discarded and replaced. The pad on the block "appears" original. I have seen it. And parts are exchanged in the business either due to rarity and availablilty, market value, etc.
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