Help ID a 65 or 66 nose emblem.

[Tom H.]

Hey all !!

Since all it does is rain or snow here in Ohio, I decided to organize some of my stuff in the garage. Need help labeling this part. I always thought it was a 66 part, but the number on the back shows 65 and 66. Which year or years would this part be correct for ? I have also pictured the box if it helps. Thanks.

[Wayne M.]

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.....Since all it does is rain or snow here in Ohio, ....... Need help labeling this part. I always thought it was a 66 part, but the number on the back shows 65 and 66. Which year or years would this part be correct for ? ......

Tom -- technically correct for 1965 (as well as all of 1966). The '65 AIM UPC 1, Sheet F1, shows the 3872929 with revision record note "was 3859046" dated 6-3-65. I don't know the difference on the earlier part #; maybe someone with an earlier car can chime in.

[side note: you can't trust AIM's to be TFP; this same sheet shows the "Corvette" hood script that is standard in '66. Not even a revision note as to when it was added, implying that it was on all '65s ].

Thumbnails are of the front emblem given to me by the owner of my Aug 2nd 1965 car; he was owner from '69 to '71. Notice the orange-y red paint, which is to be expected of emblems (at least in the '65 MY).

IIRC, the same dual model year part #'s appears on the back of the big block side emblems (both 396 and 427) even though the parts are obviously different. Again, if someone would confirm if earlier 396's had both part #'s this would help. The examples I've seen are probably GM service emblems.

[Tom H.]

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Thanks Wayne.

I have read here that the color for the 66 emblem and the replacements were a darker red. I can't determine which color red mine is.

Any idea what vintage the box is I have? I'm guessing 70's but don't know.

[Russ S.]

Re: Help ID a 65 or 66 nose emblem.

Hey all !!

Since all it does is rain or snow here in Ohio, I decided to organize some of my stuff in the garage. Need help labeling this part. I always thought it was a 66 part, but the number on the back shows 65 and 66. Which year or years would this part be correct for ? I have also pictured the box if it helps. Thanks.

Tom, I would say by your picture that it is the dark red. My original front emblem from my march 66 car has the exact numbers as yours.

[Tom H.]

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Tom, I would say by your picture that it is the dark red. My original front emblem from my march 66 car has the exact numbers as yours.

That's what I needed and confirms what I originally thought. Thanks !!!

[Ronald L.]

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Tom I have a spot for it on the front end of my 66 as it seemingly taking up too much space in your garage

[Peter L.]

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Wayne - I though the nose emblem of early '65s (prior to the part number change) only had the 3859046 p/n embossed on the back. But I don't have an example to confirm. Pete

[Page C.]

Re: Help ID a 65 or 66 nose emblem.

Hi Pete,
Your memory of the part number for the early emblem is correct. I found one in a box of old 1965-66 nose emblems today. The paint shade on the older emblem with the 3859046 (only) is also more of an orange shade but don't know how well it will show in the attached photos
Page Campbell

[Michael H.]

Re: Help ID a 65 or 66 nose emblem.

Hi Pete,
Your memory of the part number for the early emblem is correct. I found one in a box of old 1965-66 nose emblems today. The paint shade on the older emblem with the 3859046 (only) is also more of an orange shade but don't know how well it will show in the attached photos
Page Campbell

The color of the flag is the difference. The 65 emblem is red/orange while the 66 emblem is medium red or red/maroon. That was the only reason the part number changed for the 66 model year.

The same was true for the side fender flag emblems for small block 63-65 and 66. The 63-65 side flag was 3827158 but for 66, the number changed to 3872930. The only change was the orange to red color. The color difference is obvious from 20 feet away.

Later issue of both the 66 nose emblem and the 66 side flag emblem had both the 63-65 and 66 part numbers cast in but these emblems are only correct for 66. (and possibly late 65)

[Scott S.]

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[side note: you can't trust AIM's to be TFP; this same sheet shows the "Corvette" hood script that is standard in '66. Not even a revision note as to when it was added, implying that it was on all '65s ]

Wayne,

It looks like the people who printed the 1965 AIM just took this page from the 1966 AIM and put "E77" for the page number (on my old copy, "E" being the correct page-number prefix for 1965) at the top. That would explain why the '65 AIM shows the 1966 Corvette name-plate on the hood. Same thing for the following page, 1ASM-F2. Both pages in both AIMs carry the designation "3878100 Corvette 19000 Series", which was the 1966 designation. The 1965 designation is "3865300 Corvette 19000 Series".

Also, both pages (nose emblem page and the following exterior rear view mirror page) have the same drawing and release dates in the bottom LH corner of both AIMs.

[Scott S.]

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Since the actual 1965 AIM page is AWOL, I compared the 1964 AIM page to the 1966 AIM page that is being used in the 1965 AIM. For parts where the 1964 and the 1966 AIM are the same, it could be reasonably inferred that the part numbers actually used in 1965 production would be consistent with those used in both 1964 and 1966.

The wiper grilles (GM 3797077, 3797078), the wiper grille screws (GM 3848300) and the U-nuts (GM 3846854) are the same in the 1964 and 1966 AIM pages, and so are likely to be the same for 1965. The nose emblem (GM 3859046) is unique to 1965. The item 4 Nut used to secure the nose emblem is different in the 1964 and 1966 AIMs, so original 1965 Corvettes would need to be surveyed to determine which nose emblem nut was used in 1965, unless the AO Smith bodies were delivered with nose emblems installed, in which case the p/n would be listed in the AO Smith body AIM.

In any event, the confusion over the orange-red vs. dark-red flag is probably due in large part to the 1966 AIM page being published in the 1965 Assembly Manual.

[John D.]

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The color of the flag is the difference. The 65 emblem is red/orange while the 66 emblem is medium red or red/maroon. That was the only reason the part number changed for the 66 model year.

The same was true for the side fender flag emblems for small block 63-65 and 66. The 63-65 side flag was 3827158 but for 66, the number changed to 3872930. The only change was the orange to red color. The color difference is obvious from 20 feet away.

Later issue of both the 66 nose emblem and the 66 side flag emblem had both the 63-65 and 66 part numbers cast in but these emblems are only correct for 66. (and possibly late 65)

There was another change in colors on the fender flag Michael. The 158's had an ivory color. The 930's were white. Have proof. JD

[Michael H.]

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There was another change in colors on the fender flag Michael. The 158's had an ivory color. The 930's were white. Have proof. JD

Yeah JD, I know you have proof. I know where ya got that proof too.

[Wayne M.]

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There was another change in colors on the fender flag Michael. The 158's had an ivory color. The 930's were white. Have proof. JD

And, if this example is typical, the blue is so dark it's almost black.

[Michael H.]

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And, if this example is typical, the blue is so dark it's almost black.

Wayne,The blue color seemed to change slightly from one emblem to another. I think it may depend on how thick the color was applied. I have a few NOS and several used FI emblems for 63-64 and the blue is different from one to another. Here's an NOS 3827158 for 63-65.