Hi Guys Putting this out for your thoughts.. I am currently restoring my 63 coupe and I was thinking about suggesting changing the judging guide format. The judging guide now is not user friendly and I have some suggestions that I think would help everyone. Changing the guide from a bound copy to a three ring binder type would make it possible to add and delete pages to it. The owner would not have to buy a complete new guide simply the changed pages only. Also, you can add photos and notes to the guide for your own documentation on how you restored your particular item in a category. Phil 8063
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You're kidding, right?
When I first made that suggestion years ago, I thought I was on to something revolutionary. My lack of humility made me fail to realize that I was probably not the first rocket scientist to come up with that suggestion.
The "forced" purchase of entirely new literature upon members who are naive enough to pony up every time a new edition is churned out is one of the biggest CASH COWS that the organization possesses................Comment
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Hi Joe I hear ya, but they still can charge for the updates so can make much more this way. The whole idea is to update the JG as the updates come up, not wait years to come out with a new addition. Phil 8063Comment
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I like your suggestion but such a guide in a binder would be a bit more difficult to handle when judging a car with the increased chance on scretches...Rob.
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This is not a new topic on this discussion board. If you are genuinely interested in changing the information in any of the TIMJGs you need to contact the team leader and work on any updates. If you are genuinely interested in changing the way the TIMJGs are produced and updated you need to contact the national judging chairman and work on the process. It will not happen using this forum as your sole means of communication.Comment
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Hi Joe anyone posting a photo of oneself ride a rocking horse in a .... I wouldnt call a rocket scientist
I would hope its not all about the money, they showed us that, only $40. for the dealer info, Iam sure if anyoe else had it, it would be a lot more. I really would like some real feedback. Thanks Phil 8063
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While it sounds like a fine idea, I am not sure that it would be very cost effective (having had a few books published). Say the Interior chapter needed revisions to sections 3, 7 and 19. In its current format, this would necessitate replacing a lot of pages around those sections (especially since each sheet has two back to back pages), not just a couple of pages. To make replacement work, each section would have to be on self-contained pages. Then you could just take out the replaced section and the unchanged sections around it would be ok. This would make the TIMJG alot more pages, and since paper is the major cost of books, alot more expensive. Judges would have more to haul around as well. Now if it were in electronic form...Comment
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Phil, I am going to date myself, but 25 or so years ago NCRS did publish a set of manuals in loose leaf format. I just threw a couple of sets in the dumpster a few months ago. It quickly became obvious, while you probably would do so, most members did not keep their sets updated. I believe that it is worse to have a set of ourdated books than no books at all.Hi Joe anyone posting a photo of oneself ride a rocking horse in a .... I wouldnt call a rocket scientist I would hope its not all about the money, they showed us that, only $40. for the dealer info, Iam sure if anyoe else had it, it would be a lot more. I really would like some real feedback. Thanks Phil 8063Dick WhittingtonComment
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Why is it people will spend thousands of dollars on original parts and whine about a few bucks for a current manual. If you had any idea the anount of work (donated at that) that goes into creating an updated manual you would undrestand that it's one of the best deals out there. Go try to find that kind of information for your Mustang, Mopar or whatever for anywhere close to the cost. There are some places it's alright to be cheap but accuate information is not one of them. When you cry about NCRS making a few bucks on you consider all that is made available to you at no cost at all. If you want a better organization learn to invest a little in the one we have. No one touches the quantity and quality of what you get with NCRS.Comment
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"Phil, I am going to date myself, but 25 or so years ago NCRS did publish a set of manuals in loose leaf format. I just threw a couple of sets in the dumpster a few months ago. It quickly became obvious, while you probably would do so, most members did not keep their sets updated. I believe................"
Tom,
All well and good, and can't disagree about the wealth of information; however, see Dick Whittington's observation in post #10 re: those who were too lazy to keep their books current.
I was a NYC firefighter for 22 years and managed to earn promotion by competitive examination prior to a career ending injury. Speaking for myself and all of the brother firefighters who were ambitious enough to study for promotion, we subscribed to an update service, received update inserts quarterly, and diligently kept our voluminous libraries up to date!
How does the team leader regulate the quality of his judging manpower if he doesn't know whether or not his judges have been updating their Manuals. How, for that matter, does he know whether or not his judges even possess a manual. If any of our brother and sister judges are not willing to insert quarterly updates into their Manuals, then they should not be allowed to judge. It would be easy for team leaders to examine and verify whether latest updates have been added to Manuals prior to any judge's tour of duty. Spot checks would keep judges diligent, and missing updates would be grounds for idling the offending judge for that particular session.
I am not a New Englander, but like a New Englander, I am VERY averse to waste. Such duplication is a flagrant waste of paper, ink, and energy. Money secondary.Last edited by Joe C.; January 18, 2011, 03:00 PM.Comment
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Phil, Decades ago in the Heavy duty truck dealership service departments we used a system exactly like this. Every week or two we would get current updates to our service manuals. It was a very good and workable system that kept us service managers current with all of the new information.Hi Guys Putting this out for your thoughts.. I am currently restoring my 63 coupe and I was thinking about suggesting changing the judging guide format. The judging guide now is not user friendly and I have some suggestions that I think would help everyone. Changing the guide from a bound copy to a three ring binder type would make it possible to add and delete pages to it. The owner would not have to buy a complete new guide simply the changed pages only. Also, you can add photos and notes to the guide for your own documentation on how you restored your particular item in a category. Phil 8063
I like it.
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Well here's an option - Just take the bound copy and make it into a three ring binder as I have done. I then add photos and other documentation (pages from AIM) to show where the JG is missing something as proof to show a Judge.
As for changes to a specific item in the JG I been successful in sending the Team Leader documentation of why such and such needs to be modified. Unfortunately said changes take a little time.Comment
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Phil, Decades ago in the Heavy duty truck dealership service departments we used a system exactly like this. Every week or two we would get current updates to our service manuals. It was a very good and workable system that kept us service managers current with all of the new information.
I like it.
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David that is fine and well, but for every tech that did that there probably were an equal number that did not do it. Years ago I bought all the manuals out of an old Chevrolet dealership. The service manager had not thrown them away, but all the revisions were still there, still in the envelope that GM had shipped them in. There was not a loose leaf manual that had been updated.Dick WhittingtonComment
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