where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

[Joe R.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Philip,

If you are happy with the Sebring Silver on your 63 I am happy for you. And you being happy with YOUR 63 is all that matters!

For the record I have seen only ONE 63 painted with Original Factory Pack Sebring Silver. Bloomington in the 70's I reached for the can and another hand beat me to it!

That paint went on a 63 ZO-6 big tanker!

JR

[Timothy B.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Ronald,

I thought the auto division of Sherwin Williams is PPG, (Pittsburg Paint & Glass).

[Alan S.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Hi Edward,
I have pPg Duracryl, acrylc lacquer, on my 71.
The paint came from Colours Inc. They're suppliers to the auto body industry in the mid-Atlantic states. They're on the web.
I like it VERY much.
Regards,
Alan

[Bill L.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

McHenry Paint in Frederick, MD can still mix up some lacquer. Daryl is the owner and a great guy. Tell him Bill Lennox sent you.

Wish I had painted my 70 classic white in lacquer. It is painted with BC/CC and frankly lacquer is sooooo much easier to work with not to mention the gear you need to safely shoot the clear coat. I am in the middle of fixing some stuff and yes it is a more durable paint but what a PITA to work with at home. Reduce it and shoot the lacquer. If you you screw it up sand and repaint. I will never let a painter talk me out of what I think is best again. Every time I look at the car I wish it was lacquer.

There is also a place call Hibernia Restorations in New Jersey. They can mix up most colors for you too.

Bill

[Philip C.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Philip,

If you are happy with the Sebring Silver on your 63 I am happy for you. And you being happy with YOUR 63 is all that matters!

For the record I have seen only ONE 63 painted with Original Factory Pack Sebring Silver. Bloomington in the 70's I reached for the can and another hand beat me to it!

That paint went on a 63 ZO-6 big tanker!

JR

THanks Joe, by the way my car is also a Z06 Tanker Phil 8063

[Edward J.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Hi Edward,
I have pPg Duracryl, acrylc lacquer, on my 71.
The paint came from Colours Inc. They're suppliers to the auto body industry in the mid-Atlantic states. They're on the web.
I like it VERY much.
Regards,
Alan

Alan, was the lacquer you painted your car the newer lacquer(Duracryl) which requires more paint for coverage? I am not a expert on the newer lacquer and have painted the older lacquer before and is very easy to do, even for a do it yourselfer like me.

[John H.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Go to a body shop today for a small paint repair and it is a full panel shoot. You need a full body suit and supplied air system to shoot all the new paints including "water base". The health issues are real. My original '63 black paint is still a mile deep. How many newer cars do we see every day with a frosty clear coat . Durability? We emit less voc in a small touch up than a two paint re-coat. What about the voc emission from a total two coat repaint that has failed. My '77 T/A still looks like it came from the factory. Lousy application and all. I have shot both the new and the old, and both have advantages over the other. I still like lacquer on lacquer cars.

[Chuck S.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

It's the individual City and State evironmental laws that rule these issues...

Possibly, but I'm thinking that state and local regulations are just the local government face on the real driving force, which is the EPA.

In other words, the EPA has told the states what pollutant levels they want, and the states and local governments are left to their individual regulatory devices to get it done. This is probably due to the Constitution spelling out specific Federal rights and duties and all the others being reserved for the states. I suspect the fine points might be difficult to enforce with the interstate commerce clause, but the Feds have other hammers to use now if states don't comply.

Michael, you are no doubt well aware of the recent flap between EPA and Texas over environmental enforcement of emissions by refiners and chemical plants on the ship channel. EPA wants stiffer enforcement of permits, ostentsibly to better protect Texas citizens, and Texas resisting by saying in essence "we've got this under control" to avoid making gasoline $6 a gallon and closing area facilities. It'll be interesting to see how the lawyers work it out.

Another example is vehicle emissions inspections...In Texas, if you live in a large city, you are virtually guaranteed to live in a "non-compliance zone". Although vehicle inspection stickers are a state requirement, you are required in cities to pay for an emissions inspection to insure that your vehicle is in compliance. Out in the country between large cities, you don't have to pay that extra inspection fee.

I lived in El Paso for years and paid the inspection fees, but El Paso was ALWAYS going to be a non-compliance zone. It didn't matter how low automotive emissions were on the US side...the Mexicans across the river had no such requirements and regularly set the Juarez city dump on fire to reduce the volume.

[Terry M.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Another example is vehicle emissions inspections...In Texas, if you live in a large city, you are virtually guaranteed to live in a "non-compliance zone". Although vehicle inspection stickers are a state requirement, you are required in cities to pay for an emissions inspection to insure that your vehicle is in compliance. Out in the country between large cities, you don't have to pay that extra inspection fee.

I lived in El Paso for years and paid the inspection fees, but El Paso was ALWAYS going to be a non-compliance zone. It didn't matter how low automotive emissions were on the US side...the Mexicans across the river had no such requirements and regularly set the Juarez city dump on fire to reduce the volume.

I suspect one could substitute any number of states for "Texas" in the bolded statement. I know it applies to Illinois. Here however we don't pay for emissions inspections. The cost is built into the license plate fees, which everyone pays whether they are required to be inspected or not. In Illinois the state contracts the emissions inspections to a third party.

[Rich P.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Source for lacquer...Hibernia Auto Restoration. And PPG still carries the full line. Check with local jobbers Mine in PA can still get it for me.
I have 3 cars getting ready to shoot in the shop now all will be single stage urethane it is closer to the "Good Old" Lacquer than todays crap!! I was thinking of posting some of the tricks to make urethane look like lacquer even metallics if anyone would be interested.

Rich

[Philip C.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Source for lacquer...Hibernia Auto Restoration. And PPG still carries the full line. Check with local jobbers Mine in PA can still get it for me.
I have 3 cars getting ready to shoot in the shop now all will be single stage urethane it is closer to the "Good Old" Lacquer than todays crap!! I was thinking of posting some of the tricks to make urethane look like lacquer even metallics if anyone would be interested.

Rich

Hi Rich not to steal this thread, But i would like to hear some, thanks. I just like the way lacquer flows around corners, its so tight, doesnt have the dipped look, Phil 8063

[Steven S.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Just a quick correction - lead was not used as a filler in original lacquer. The lead was in some of the pigments used. When those were replaced, the coverage was effected. Then to meet growing VOC regulations, solvent balance was changed.

[Jim T.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Source for lacquer...Hibernia Auto Restoration. And PPG still carries the full line. Check with local jobbers Mine in PA can still get it for me.
I have 3 cars getting ready to shoot in the shop now all will be single stage urethane it is closer to the "Good Old" Lacquer than todays crap!! I was thinking of posting some of the tricks to make urethane look like lacquer even metallics if anyone would be interested.

Rich

Rich if you have used PPG Ralley Red lacquer or PPG Ralley Red single stage urethane how did it compare to Ralley Red lacquer paint available 25 years ago?

[Chuck S.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

I have 3 cars getting ready to shoot in the shop now all will be single stage urethane it is closer to the "Good Old" Lacquer than todays crap!! I was thinking of posting some of the tricks to make urethane look like lacquer even metallics if anyone would be interested...

Well, HAELYES!!!...What are'yer waiting fer??!!

But, start a new thread...this topic definitely needs a clean, new, streamlined venue with a topic line that easy to find with "Search".

[Paul J.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Possibly, but I'm thinking that state and local regulations are just the local government face on the real driving force, which is the EPA.

In other words, the EPA has told the states what pollutant levels they want, and the states and local governments are left to their individual regulatory devices to get it done. This is probably due to the Constitution spelling out specific Federal rights and duties and all the others being reserved for the states. I suspect the fine points might be difficult to enforce with the interstate commerce clause, but the Feds have other hammers to use now if states don't comply.

Michael, you are no doubt well aware of the recent flap between EPA and Texas over environmental enforcement of emissions by refiners and chemical plants on the ship channel. EPA wants stiffer enforcement of permits, ostentsibly to better protect Texas citizens, and Texas resisting by saying in essence "we've got this under control" to avoid making gasoline $6 a gallon and closing area facilities. It'll be interesting to see how the lawyers work it out.

Another example is vehicle emissions inspections...In Texas, if you live in a large city, you are virtually guaranteed to live in a "non-compliance zone". Although vehicle inspection stickers are a state requirement, you are required in cities to pay for an emissions inspection to insure that your vehicle is in compliance. Out in the country between large cities, you don't have to pay that extra inspection fee.

I lived in El Paso for years and paid the inspection fees, but El Paso was ALWAYS going to be a non-compliance zone. It didn't matter how low automotive emissions were on the US side...the Mexicans across the river had no such requirements and regularly set the Juarez city dump on fire to reduce the volume.

First of all, all of these regulations are for commercial entities. The EPA does not regulate non-commercial sources.

The EPA has promulgated and published regulations, if that's what you mean by "telling" the States anything. Each State can either be an "agreement State" and adopt the EPA regulations or say no thank you and the EPA will administer the programs by themselves. Most States choose to control thier own destiny and have adopted the regulations.

Below is an example of how this works. The link shows the chemical compounds that the EPA has deemed hazardous and wants to control. Some of these are in paint.

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/orig189.html

Below is an example of how these are regulated by a State. The concentrations are de-minimus levels. If you're calculations show that you are below this at your property line, then you are not required to control these except in certain circumstances. The EPA has to approve this list. Any extra compounds put on this list by the State is under thier own perogative.

http://daq.state.nc.us/rules/rules/D1104.pdf

Except for major source permits, EPA has no say in any of this other to complain and make threats if they feel the State is not following thier guidelines. This is what is happening in Texas.

With respect to vehicle emissions, many States have implemented a required Inspection/Maintenance program as part of thier State Implementation Plan. This helps with the EPA being less stringent on thier nonattainment designations. You say "non-compliance zone" and perhaps that's what they call it in Texas, but the proper term is "nonattainment" which means that the area has shown that it does not meet the 8 hour ambient Ozone standard. This is designated by the EPA and the I/M program is one way that the States have tried to deal with this. Nonattainment is one area where the EPA has directly dictated to States what they will do.

Emissions inspections have little or no effect on air quality, but the EPA thinks so and you can have some solace in the fact that it's cheaper in the long run. Without an I/M program EPA would resort to more draconian techniques to control low level Ozone. We've already seen some of this in California.