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  • Michael G.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • November 12, 2008
    • 2157

    63 Transmission linkage

    The 5th Edition of the 63-64 Judging Guide says that the transmission "shift levers, rods, swivels nuts and clips have a black phosphate finish". Is this correct?

    Thanks
    Mike




    1965 Black Ext / Silver Int. Coupe, L84 Duntov, French Lick, 2023 - Triple Diamond
    1965 Red Ext / White & Red Int. Conv. - 327/250 AC Regional Top Flight.
  • Michael G.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • November 12, 2008
    • 2157

    #2
    Re: 63 Transmission linkage

    Perhaps I should phase this in a different way: Anyone know what the factory finish was on the 63 trans shift rods and other associated stuff?
    Mike




    1965 Black Ext / Silver Int. Coupe, L84 Duntov, French Lick, 2023 - Triple Diamond
    1965 Red Ext / White & Red Int. Conv. - 327/250 AC Regional Top Flight.

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    • Edward J.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • September 15, 2008
      • 6940

      #3
      Re: 63 Transmission linkage

      Mike, I believe that this has surfaced before, and that there were phosphated ,Its more of a gray phosphate than the black phos.
      New England chapter member, 63 Convert. 327/340- Chapter/Regional/national Top Flight, 72 coupe- chapter and regional Top Flight.

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      • Michael G.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • November 12, 2008
        • 2157

        #4
        Re: 63 Transmission linkage

        That's curious. Both my cars have plain steel rods, etc. Since they came from wildly different circumstances, I wouldn't think they'd both be wrong in the same way....
        Mike




        1965 Black Ext / Silver Int. Coupe, L84 Duntov, French Lick, 2023 - Triple Diamond
        1965 Red Ext / White & Red Int. Conv. - 327/250 AC Regional Top Flight.

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        • Edward J.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • September 15, 2008
          • 6940

          #5
          Re: 63 Transmission linkage

          Originally posted by Michael Garver (49693)
          That's curious. Both my cars have plain steel rods, etc. Since they came from wildly different circumstances, I wouldn't think they'd both be wrong in the same way....
          Mike, the judging manuel could be wrong, as I am not positive, Natural rods would be rusted after all these years, and the finish would be hard to tell. I think that the lt. gray phosphate does almost have a natural appearance.
          New England chapter member, 63 Convert. 327/340- Chapter/Regional/national Top Flight, 72 coupe- chapter and regional Top Flight.

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          • Michael G.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • November 12, 2008
            • 2157

            #6
            Re: 63 Transmission linkage

            Ed, The rods on my blue Dunotv car, which have been indoors for twenty years, are slightly corroded, with no evidence of ever having been phosphated. The rods on my recently restored black car are plain steel.

            Phosphate's pretty easy to do on the blue car (its apart), so that's not the issue, I'm just trying to make sure that I do it just once and get it correct.

            Thanks,
            Mike




            1965 Black Ext / Silver Int. Coupe, L84 Duntov, French Lick, 2023 - Triple Diamond
            1965 Red Ext / White & Red Int. Conv. - 327/250 AC Regional Top Flight.

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            • Edward J.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • September 15, 2008
              • 6940

              #7
              Re: 63 Transmission linkage

              Mike, put in a email. to the 63/64 team leader he will answer as to what is correct. I am surprised that no one else has responed.
              New England chapter member, 63 Convert. 327/340- Chapter/Regional/national Top Flight, 72 coupe- chapter and regional Top Flight.

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              • Michael G.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • November 12, 2008
                • 2157

                #8
                Re: 63 Transmission linkage

                Thanks Ed, I'll do that. I'm also a bit surprised no one else has chimed in, it'd be nice if we could get some other owners opinions here too....
                Mike




                1965 Black Ext / Silver Int. Coupe, L84 Duntov, French Lick, 2023 - Triple Diamond
                1965 Red Ext / White & Red Int. Conv. - 327/250 AC Regional Top Flight.

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                • Loren L.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • April 30, 1976
                  • 4104

                  #9
                  Re: 63 Transmission linkage

                  Originally posted by Edward Johnson (49497)
                  Mike, put in a email. to the 63/64 team leader he will answer as to what is correct. I am surprised that no one else has responed.
                  Really? (The AUTOMATIC POLICE have told me my response is too short....)

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                  • Jeff Z.
                    Frequent User
                    • February 1, 1994
                    • 94

                    #10
                    Re: 63 Transmission linkage

                    Originally posted by Michael Garver (49693)
                    Thanks Ed, I'll do that. I'm also a bit surprised no one else has chimed in, it'd be nice if we could get some other owners opinions here too....

                    Michael,

                    I have two sets of linkage in basement I just looked at. One from a 62 and another from a 63. I agree with Ed they have a very light gray phosphate coating. Some areas look almost natural but there is coating.

                    Jeff
                    63 Convert 340 hp
                    66 Coupe 300 hp
                    67 Camaro 1500 hp
                    00 SS Camaro 320 hp

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                    • Duke W.
                      Beyond Control Poster
                      • January 1, 1993
                      • 15661

                      #11
                      Re: 63 Transmission linkage

                      As an original '63 owner, my recollection is that nothing in the transmission linkage had any kind of surface treatment except, maybe, fasteners.

                      If anything was phosphated, it would likely be gone and replaced by surface rust after a few years of daily driving in most environments.

                      All of my shift linkage parts are now cad plated. I hate rust!!!

                      Duke

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                      • Michael G.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • November 12, 2008
                        • 2157

                        #12
                        Re: 63 Transmission linkage

                        Thanks, Jeff. I'll take a closer look at the parts. While they are definitely not black or dark gray phosphate, it is certainly possible that I mistook an oil-stained, light-gray phosphate for corrosion. I only inspected corrosion tests for 10 years, so perhaps I've lost it....
                        Last edited by Michael G.; January 11, 2011, 10:35 PM.
                        Mike




                        1965 Black Ext / Silver Int. Coupe, L84 Duntov, French Lick, 2023 - Triple Diamond
                        1965 Red Ext / White & Red Int. Conv. - 327/250 AC Regional Top Flight.

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                        • Jeff Z.
                          Frequent User
                          • February 1, 1994
                          • 94

                          #13
                          Re: 63 Transmission linkage

                          Originally posted by Michael Garver (49693)
                          Thanks, Jeff. I'll take a closer look at the parts. While they are definitely not black or dark gray phosphate, it is certainly possible that I mistook an oil-stained, light-gray phosphate for corrosion. I only inspected corrosion tests for 10 years, so perhaps I've lost it....
                          Michael,

                          63 Convert 340 hp
                          66 Coupe 300 hp
                          67 Camaro 1500 hp
                          00 SS Camaro 320 hp

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                          • Michael G.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • November 12, 2008
                            • 2157

                            #14
                            Re: 63 Transmission linkage

                            Thanks Jeff, you have better eyes than I do, or your copy of Nolan's book is clearer than mine. Anyway, based on my years of drafting at GM, as well as my long association with the finish committee, if there were Phosphate finish specs, they almost always would be found in the same note as the steel spec.


                            After cleaning one of my trans linkage rods with degreaser, I'd say the thin brown coating on my linkage is just surface rust, nothing else. I think that the phosphate requirement is incorrect.
                            Last edited by Michael G.; January 13, 2011, 12:18 AM.
                            Mike




                            1965 Black Ext / Silver Int. Coupe, L84 Duntov, French Lick, 2023 - Triple Diamond
                            1965 Red Ext / White & Red Int. Conv. - 327/250 AC Regional Top Flight.

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                            • Joe R.
                              Extremely Frequent Poster
                              • July 31, 1976
                              • 4550

                              #15
                              Re: 63 Transmission linkage

                              Ok here's the skinny on shift linkage.

                              1. The repos have phosphated rods and stamped steel levers with no plating.

                              2. The judges (including the midget) have never seen anything but repos!

                              3. The original owners of 63's are so old they have CRS!

                              In a nutshell!

                              JR

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