There's only one use for this piece of junk

[Robert G.]

There's only one use for this piece of junk, and that is to take the vin tag and put it on a stolen car.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-Corvette-conv-project-parts-car-/180598760894?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a0c8665be

[Richard L.]

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Really! How can you advertise this as a car? The ad states this is a "1967 Corvette conv. project or parts car"

[Keith L.]

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Cash only, no shipping, = no paper trail

[Bill I.]

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To each his own. He thinks it has value. Bill

[Joe L.]

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There's only one use for this piece of junk, and that is to take the vin tag and put it on a stolen car.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-...item2a0c8665be

Robert------


He's not really selling the whole thing which would be very difficult to "graft" into an existing car. You will note that the rivets have already been removed from the VIN tag. So, really all he is selling is the VIN tag and title that goes with that VIN tag. Irrespective of his claim that this is for pick-up only, I'll also bet that he'll be very willing to mail it to the buyer as long as he gets the cash up-front. I believe that insistence on cash only is a violation of eBay policy, too. He could easily mail the whole works to the buyer in a manila envelope for $1.05.

The ONLY purpose that such a thing would be useful for is "creating a new identity" for a stolen car. That's why he's taped off the last digits of the VIN tag.

This is one of the reasons that I ALWAYS advise folks that are buying a Corvette to check the FRAME VIN derivative before purchasing. Yes, it's difficult, but it must be done. If the numbers don't match and the seller has no bill of sale for the bare frame with whatever VIN derivative is on it, then NO SALE. PERIOD.

[Ronald L.]

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There are some people bidding so that means there are more crooks out there than just the seller and with respect to NCRS, well they join after they buy the forgery.

[Edward M.]

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The theory that the only purpose is to re-VIN a stolen car is not necessarily true. That could be one option. Consider these options.

A 1967 Corvette is badly damaged in the early 70s and is totaled out by the insurance company. Some states require that the VIN tag is removed and destroyed as part of this process.

Now, here we are, 30 years later, and that badly damaged 67 Corvette really only needs a new front clip, and a new frame to be a complete car. Problem is, it has no VIN tag.

Replacing the frame is no big deal, happens all of the time. So, all that is really needed is a legimitate VIN tag and title.

Is this illegal. Absolutely. But it does NOT involve a stolen car.

Consider this scenario. A 67 Corvette has some body damage, frame rot, and a rotten bird cage. The car was totaled because of the damage, and the VIN tag was removed.

Now someone comes along with a good bird cage, with VIN and trim tags attached, and a legitimate title. Plan is to "restore" the legitimate bird cage, using the parts from the previously wrecked and totalled 67 Corvette.

Illegal? Depends on the state. Many states allow for the reconstruction of a vehicle, usually with a salvage title, but not always.

Again, no stolen car involved.

OK, my two cents, and don't need to hear about "the most likely...."

[Robert G.]

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The theory that the only purpose is to re-VIN a stolen car is not necessarily true. That could be one option. Consider these options.

A 1967 Corvette is badly damaged in the early 70s and is totaled out by the insurance company. Some states require that the VIN tag is removed and destroyed as part of this process.

Now, here we are, 30 years later, and that badly damaged 67 Corvette really only needs a new front clip, and a new frame to be a complete car. Problem is, it has no VIN tag.

Replacing the frame is no big deal, happens all of the time. So, all that is really needed is a legimitate VIN tag and title.

Is this illegal. Absolutely. But it does NOT involve a stolen car.

Consider this scenario. A 67 Corvette has some body damage, frame rot, and a rotten bird cage. The car was totaled because of the damage, and the VIN tag was removed.

Now someone comes along with a good bird cage, with VIN and trim tags attached, and a legitimate title. Plan is to "restore" the legitimate bird cage, using the parts from the previously wrecked and totalled 67 Corvette.

Illegal? Depends on the state. Many states allow for the reconstruction of a vehicle, usually with a salvage title, but not always.

Again, no stolen car involved.

OK, my two cents, and don't need to hear about "the most likely...."

Your scenarios are definitely possibilities, though taking a vin tag from one car and putting it on another is the likely outcome of this ebay sale-wherever the car came from that it goes on. Beware of cars with vins that start with 147.
Anyone have a before/after pic of that 65 big block that was magically transformed from a partial birdcage into a magnificent restoration in the course of a few months?

[Jim T.]

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Couple years ago I located the current owner of a 1964 Corvette convertible my wife once owned that was bought new. The exterior color was Riverside Red from the factory. The original engine was not in the current owners 64. He told me of having body work/painting experience on Corvettes and painted the car white. It was not red when he painted it and told me this car had never been red, there was no evidence of it ever being red.
We are still in possession of the original Corvette Owners plastic card and used the serial number on the card to locate current owner.
What happened to the original red 64 Corvette convertible?

[Dick W.]

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Anything that is done, besides turning the VIN and title in to the DMV, is illegal. Period. Possessing an unattached VIN tag could/would get you in trouble in most/all states.

[Robert G.]

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Couple years ago I located the current owner of a 1964 Corvette convertible my wife once owned that was bought new. The exterior color was red from the factory. The original engine was not in the current owners 64. He told me of having body work/painting experience on Corvettes and painted the car white. It was not red when he painted it and told me this car had never been red, there was no evidence of it ever being red.
We are still in possession of the original Corvette Owners plastic card and used the serial number on the card to locate current owner.
What happened to the original red 64 Corvette convertible?

I'm doing what I can to monitor the 67s. Currently I have about 25 L-88s in my database.

[Domenic T.]

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I'm doing what I can to monitor the 67s. Currently I have about 25 L-88s in my database.

Robert,
For what it's worth: I have a 1967 427/435 that had a vin tag when I bought it AS/IS from JD corvette in 1971.
The car was only worth about 1700.00 running at the time and it was damaged so the insurance co totaled the car.
The vin tag was removed along with the trim tag so it wouldn't find it's way to a cream puff that was stolen.
It was truly a 427/435 vin # 194377S117702
When I applied for a title It came back 194377S117702CA. there is a welded plate on the Right frame horn 7S117702CA
The vin stamped on the frame by the drivers seat does not have the CA (California)
I can but NEW tags but prefer not to.

DOM
You can record this one that was stripped of it's identy by the State or simply treat it as if it never exhisted.
I was there and it was real when I bought it from their yard. Now it is an orphan.

[Ernie S.]

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Rockcrusher often has for sale many project corvettes on ebay. I always wondered how he came across so many project Corvettes. This is the first time I ever seen him put up for sale a vin tag and title. It is against the law to even have a vin tag in possesson, let alone try to sell one. I think he has set himself up to be eligible to receive a lot of trouble and grief if the wrong/right person were to see what he is trying to sell.

[Bruce B.]

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The Ebay listing has been removed.
Imagine that...

[Ernie S.]

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Update, as of one o'clock this afternoon, the item has been removed from ebay!