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  • Peter M.
    Expired
    • April 8, 2007
    • 570

    Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

    Anyone ever heard of Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

    Comments ?
  • Dick W.
    Former NCRS Director Region IV
    • June 30, 1985
    • 10483

    #2
    Re: Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

    Just another repackaged oil. For the older flat tappet engines, nothing will beat Shell Rotella 15W-40 or an equivilent brand.
    Dick Whittington

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    • Joe C.
      Expired
      • August 31, 1999
      • 4598

      #3
      Re: Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

      Originally posted by Peter Mihaltian (47240)
      Anyone ever heard of Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

      Comments ?
      What kind of cam is in your engine?

      Joe Gibbs and Brad Penn are identical in ZDDP content, and comparably priced. They are both excellent oils, but you may not need either of them.

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      • Geary T.
        Infrequent User
        • July 31, 1974
        • 19

        #4
        Re: Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

        My understanding is that Shell Rotella no longer has sufficient zinc content.
        It was reduced due to new emissions regulations for diesel engines have
        changed.

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        • Jack H.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • April 1, 1990
          • 9906

          #5
          Re: Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

          It's not the 'brand' of oil you shop for, it's the specification rating listed on the oil that gives you the ZDDP content you're after. Check the archives as this topic has come up MANY times before. Plus, if I remember correctly, you'll find one of the low cost house brands at Walmart meets the spec...

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          • John D.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • December 1, 1979
            • 5507

            #6
            Re: Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

            Not another post on zinc oil. Whew!!!!!!!

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            • Dick W.
              Former NCRS Director Region IV
              • June 30, 1985
              • 10483

              #7
              Re: Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

              Originally posted by Geary Trussell (71)
              My understanding is that Shell Rotella no longer has sufficient zinc content.
              It was reduced due to new emissions regulations for diesel engines have
              changed.
              CJ-4 oils have more than enough ZDDP to provide protection for flat tappet camshafts.
              Dick Whittington

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              • Joe C.
                Expired
                • August 31, 1999
                • 4598

                #8
                Re: Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

                The OP has not answered my question yet, but if he has a mild flat tappet camshaft (by that I mean factory or exact copy thereof, or one of many aftermarket pieces with deltas of more than about 40 degrees between .050 and j604 durations), then Rotella or any other API rated CJ4 oil (which has maximum 1100 ppm zinc dialkyldithiophosphate) will be sufficient.

                For any camshaft with more aggressive flanks than those above, I recommend ZDDP additive or one of the higher enriched ZDDP oils like Joe Gibbs or Brad Penn, which both have 1400 ppm. Mobil 1 full synthetic 15w-50 race oil is enriched with 1500 ppm ZDDP.

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                • Dick W.
                  Former NCRS Director Region IV
                  • June 30, 1985
                  • 10483

                  #9
                  Re: Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

                  The one thing that I have never understood, aircraft piston engines, for the most part, have flat tappet cams. They use an ashless oil, which is basically ZDDP free, and have no cam and lifter problems.
                  Dick Whittington

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                  • Peter M.
                    Expired
                    • April 8, 2007
                    • 570

                    #10
                    Re: Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

                    Originally posted by Joe Ciaravino (32899)
                    The OP has not answered my question yet, but if he has a mild flat tappet camshaft (by that I mean factory or exact copy thereof, or one of many aftermarket pieces with deltas of more than about 40 degrees between .050 and j604 durations), then Rotella or any other API rated CJ4 oil (which has maximum 1100 ppm zinc dialkyldithiophosphate) will be sufficient.

                    For any camshaft with more aggressive flanks than those above, I recommend ZDDP additive or one of the higher enriched ZDDP oils like Joe Gibbs or Brad Penn, which both have 1400 ppm. Mobil 1 full synthetic 15w-50 race oil is enriched with 1500 ppm ZDDP.
                    Let me repeat my original QUESTION:

                    Anyone ever heard of Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil? Comments ?

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                    • Joe C.
                      Expired
                      • August 31, 1999
                      • 4598

                      #11
                      Re: Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

                      Originally posted by Peter Mihaltian (47240)
                      Let me repeat my original QUESTION:

                      Anyone ever heard of Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil? Comments ?

                      OK.......I'll bite.

                      Yes, I have.

                      See post #8 (with the exception of the first clause) for my comments. Or, if you don't like those comments, then what kind of comments are you wanting?
                      Last edited by Joe C.; November 27, 2010, 04:40 PM.

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                      • Peter M.
                        Expired
                        • April 8, 2007
                        • 570

                        #12
                        Re: Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

                        Originally posted by Joe Ciaravino (32899)
                        OK.......I'll bite.

                        Yes, I have.

                        See post #8 (with the exception of the first clause) for my comments.
                        Okay, Joe, so yes you have heard of it.

                        Do you have any first hand experience with it and, if so, are you satisfied with its performance? Would you recommend its use to others?

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                        • John H.
                          Beyond Control Poster
                          • December 1, 1997
                          • 16513

                          #13
                          Re: Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

                          Originally posted by Dick Whittington (8804)
                          The one thing that I have never understood, aircraft piston engines, for the most part, have flat tappet cams. They use an ashless oil, which is basically ZDDP free, and have no cam and lifter problems.
                          Dick -

                          They also have very mild cam profiles and (relatively) low spring pressures, as they never see over 3500 rpm and have very low specific output (hp per cubic inch) as a result.

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                          • Joe C.
                            Expired
                            • August 31, 1999
                            • 4598

                            #14
                            Re: Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

                            Originally posted by Peter Mihaltian (47240)
                            Okay, Joe, so yes you have heard of it.

                            Do you have any first hand experience with it and, if so, are you satisfied with its performance? Would you recommend its use to others?
                            I have used the Brad Penn break in oil as well as the 10W-30 oil. As stated above, it is comparable to Joe Gibbs motor oil.

                            Do I like it? I have a somewhat more aggressive cam than stock, so I need the higher levels of ZDDP contained therein. The engine ran well with it, did not seize or suffer any catastrophic events, so I guess it's OK.

                            I am not quite sure what you mean by "it's performance".
                            Last edited by Joe C.; November 27, 2010, 04:59 PM.

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                            • Peter M.
                              Expired
                              • April 8, 2007
                              • 570

                              #15
                              Re: Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil?

                              okay - all I wanted to know is do you guys know about this relatively new product, and if you had used it might you have an opinion or recommendation about its use. A friend recently recommended it to me and I had never heard of it. THAT IS ALL I WAS ASKING. I did not want to start yet another zinc thread.

                              Here are a few of the responses I received from the guys on the Corvette Forum FWIW:

                              * "I used Joe Gibbs racing oil to break in my 406. It is good stuff with a lot of additives including zinc. It is pretty expensive stuff. 383vette"


                              * "Pete, I got the Joe Gibbs BR oil for Break-In of my new cam and the Joe Gibbs Assembly Grease for assembly. When I bought it from the distributor here in England he told me about the relatively new Hot Rod Oil line. He said it was also good stuff and great for cars that stand for long periods of time. Also has the higher zinc level that Willie mentioned like the BR. If it wasn't so damn expensive (even more here in the UK) I'd be using that Hot Rod Oil all the time. Ray Quayle"

                              This was the type of pro or con feedback I was looking for. And with that I hope Dick Whittington or some other moderator can put this thread out of its misery.
                              Last edited by Peter M.; November 28, 2010, 05:35 AM.

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