1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

[John D.]

Re: 1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

John, thanks for jumping in. I'm busy with family from NY and NC for the holiday.

Harry, Easiest thing to do about frog pad info for the gang is to tell them this.

Use the Search. Type in "Frog pads".
Ton of posts on that subject.
As far as judging goes I don't know if the judges are dinging 63's for having a later 4657 frog pad pump?

[Bob J.]

Re: 1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

Here's one that has never been apart. This is the inlet pipe and fitting.

Nice pic of the pump/fitting/line Michael.
Too bad those original sized fittings have all turned metric on the outside surface. Bob

[John D.]

Re: 1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

Nice pic of the pump/fitting/line Michael.
Too bad those original sized fittings have all turned metric on the outside surface. Bob

Bob, Actually a lot of the new fittings aren't even metric on the outside. Some weird British size. Nice pipe wrench size-Crescent wrench.
Someone getting into the game for the 1st time today has his hands full as if you haven't been collecting old fittings for an eon you are out of luck.

[Michael H.]

Re: 1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

Bob, Actually a lot of the new fittings aren't even metric on the outside. Some weird British size. .

So.... maybe you should get into the reproduction fuel pump fitting business. (also) Shouldn't be too difficult to have currently available fittings machined down to the correct original wrench size. You'll be rich!

[Dan D.]

Re: 1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

Bob, Actually a lot of the new fittings aren't even metric on the outside. Some weird British size. Nice pipe wrench size-Crescent wrench.
Someone getting into the game for the 1st time today has his hands full as if you haven't been collecting old fittings for an eon you are out of luck.

I've run into this, just this past week. Couldn't figure it out when some were SAE, some were metric, and some were neither. Incredible. Almost ruined one fitting when no wrench would fit it and I almost ruined it. -Dan-

[Stuart F.]

Re: 1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

Always follow the golden tool rule; find the best fitting wrench or socket. Don't take any chances, specially in tight places or for critical connections like fuel or brakes. I can't begin to recall how many times I've gone out and bought a new specific tool for a job, or went through several sets of sockets (SAE and Metric) until I got just the right fit. I hate rounded off fittings! If I have to resort to a vice grips, I've failed! I love my fuel fitting wrenches.

Stu Fox

[John D.]

Re: 1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

So.... maybe you should get into the reproduction fuel pump fitting business. (also) Shouldn't be too difficult to have currently available fittings machined down to the correct original wrench size. You'll be rich!

Yeah Mikey except most of the repro catalogs have the fittings in nice chrome which you will see on most of the show cars. Meanwhile 50+ posts for one simple fitting is a bit much don't you think.
If you hadn't waited till 11th hour to post nice pic of real deal of fitting we could have cut the posts down to 40.
Course you learned that trick from Jorjorian. Later, JD

[Michael G.]

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John and Michael,

You guys sure have a couple of wonderful stashes of 63 pics. Every time an issue on 63's comes up, the definitive pic arrives here, courtesy of one of you long- time experts. Many thanks

[John D.]

Re: 1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

John and Michael,

You guys sure have a couple of wonderful stashes of 63 pics. Every time an issue on 63's comes up, the definitive pic arrives here, courtesy of one of you long- time experts. Many thanks

Michael, We need to talk Jorjorian, Hanson, etc into coming out with a NY Times best seller.
A book devoted entirely to the huge photo collection those collectors have.
I mean Noland did it, Dobbins did it, etc. Now it's their turn. Now is the time as we are not getting any younger. Hint.

[Michael G.]

Re: 1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

Looking at Michael's pic of the top of the fuel pump, I am confused. Michael, is that pump an original 4657 pump or a service part?

Thanks,

[Michael H.]

Re: 1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

Looking at Michael's pic of the top of the fuel pump, I am confused. Michael, is that pump an original 4657 pump or a service part?

Thanks,

Hi Michael,

I think it's an original 4657 pump but not from a 63. It has the two raised square pads around two of the screws that attach the bottom to the top which first appeared in 64 or 65. Other than the raised pads, 63 is basically the same.

[Stuart F.]

Re: 1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

So what does this mean, we start all over from scratch answering the original "originality" question? I thought I just learned something about how I have my inlet tube and fitting attached incorrectly, and now I'm not too sure. It would not be like me to apply the fittings in any manner different than how I removed them, regardless of whether they still fit or not. But, as long as the AIM shows it your way and it makes sense in that it should provide more frame clearance, I will change it.

Stu Fox

[Michael H.]

Re: 1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

So what does this mean, we start all over from scratch answering the original "originality" question?
Stu Fox

Stu,

The configuration of the fitting and short line are the same for all 63 and 64-65's with the 4657 fuel pump. The pump in my pic happens to be a 64-65 but I was trying to focus on the position of the fitting/line.

The only obvious difference between the 63 and 64-65 pump is the small pads that I mentioned, and some other minute details. The basic configuration is the same though.

[Michael G.]

Re: 1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

Thanks, Michael, From an earlier discussion here, I thought those square bosses were the "frog pads" referred to earlier in this thread. I have a 4657 pump just like that. The fitting and tube were oriented the same as yours before I took it off the car.

[Michael H.]

Re: 1963 Fuel Pump Inlet fitting

Thanks, Michael, From an earlier discussion here, I thought those square bosses were the "frog pads" referred to earlier in this thread. I have a 4657 pump just like that. The fitting and tube were oriented the same as yours before I took it off the car.

Yes, I think John DeGregory described the pads as "frog pads". I suppose the term will stick but I don't see the connection.