Why has the car for sale post not been pulled

[Brett H.]

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I hope that the NCRS does offer a For Sale section on this forum. This is a great forum for us but.......

The Corvette Forum and the CAC both have one. I like them both.

Can't wait for it to happen here.

[Stuart F.]

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I think we are splitting hairs and grasping at straws, and all that kind of stuff here.

I guess, with this premise, I'm just as guilty having posted a while back asking for help for the widow of one of our members who needed advice on evaluating and disposition of her deceased husband's 65 Vette and parts. If so, I apologize, but I would do it again.

She did get help and was saved from some Vette vultures who tried to take advantage of her (like .30 cents on a dollar offer).

Stu Fox

[James G.]

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The private email function of this forum more than makes it possible to "follow up" if we care to discover more about this car and others.

[Erv M.]

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I am with Mark on this issue. Basic question here; why do we not have a for sale section on our website?

I do not want to hear it should be in the Driveline. There are already too many complaints of when members receive the publication. That they have missed the chance of a lifetime depending on their zip code.

Just what is wrong with members posting their cars for sale?

[Alexander C.]

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I think that thread should be allowed. A) It is NOT his car he is selling. B) It is in fact simply informational, just like any other barn find or eBay thread.

On a side note, absolutely, this forum should very much indeed have a classifieds section for members, PERIOD.

[Kenneth L.]

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I just listed mine on the Corvette Forum and ebay the other day, but was surprised when I realized that the NCRS site doesn't have a FOR SALE thread!

I have nothing against the Driveline, but between the deadline date and the final print of it, I can't wait that long. Get with the times and provide a real service to the members by establishing all of the threads that exist on the Corvette Forum. It's popular and the exchange of information is invaluable. Plus when we need to buy or sell that hard to find part, it takes hours, not months to locate. This reminds me of the old days of having to rely on Vette Vues magazine, before the internet came along.

[Paul D.]

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I, for one, would hate to see the print version of the Driveline go away and do not wish to support any actions that could lead to this. I enjoy printed magazines and catalogs and rarely reference online versions of them. I am probably the reason print versions still exist as I tend to purchase more than I need if getting info from a glossy, well laid out catalog than from searching for particular items on line and I can look at a magazine several times and see something new each time. I am sure meds are available to help me with these issues, but enough about me.

I fully support an online market place for those interested in this hobby. I hope that something can be worked out to get one here. The classifieds in the Driveline really are not working. I would imagine that anyone placing an ad there also places ads in online areas also and parts are gone before the Driveline is even printed. I usually read some of them out of curiosity, but my main interest is the vender ads. When I need something new or reproduction for my cars, I try to look at Driveline venders first. I consider them (really or just perceived) to be more reputable than others.

I wish that someone from the board could write an article for the Restorer that would explain the adamant refusal to allow a parts/cars for sale area. The first reason I hear is loss of ad revenue from venders. How can that be? I say allow vender ads on the page in the form of banners, etc.. Maybe charge a little more since they will be in print and on the online site with links to their own websites.

Two things I can think of could be causing reluctance on the part of the board. One is the loss of revenue from those paying for classified ads. That would be persons placing ads in addition to the member allowed free ad. The only way to avoid this would be to somehow run all ads through the Driveline, per say, and my understanding of computor aided logistics is very limited. I am sure there is a way, but it may require time and money not available.

Second would be the liability of NCRS endorsed cars/parts. Again, really or just perceived. If this is the case, that ship is quickly pulling away from the dock, if it hasn't already set sail. Just looking through most publications, ads, and now auction literature, the NCRS "certification" is really getting tossed around and I am seeing very little to disuade people from believing it is anything more than acknowledgment of meeting a judging standard on the day the car was judged. I can't imagine a parts/cars for sale area being a greater liability than "certification" of orignal documents, which I understand is being done now by the NCRS.

Sorry about the long post, and I will understand if it gets deleted. I am not going to feel my rights to free speach are being violated or anything of the sort. If we can't accomplish this on the NCRS TDB, then somewhere or someone else will. It is hard to entice people to join a group that refuses to provide what you want or need. I feel we should not give any more reasons for people to look elsewhere. Try to remember, it's still just a great hobby to some of us. Chip.

[Roger P.]

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Gentlemen,
I certainly didn't intend to "stir it up" by posting the barn find '65 Corvette that I was so fortunate to experience a few weeks ago. The main reason for the post was to share my experience since I thought other enthusiasts would appreciate the story and the photos. For me, it is one of the reasons why I check the TDB almost daily, and why I set my DVR so I can watch many of the classic car shows on television. I barely knew this girl in high school nearly 30 years ago, but she found me because of my Vette. I thought that was pretty neat, and appreciated her reaching out to me for my help with her late father's car. If I was interested in the money, I could have taken the car from her for next to nothing and made myself a quick 5 to 10 grand. Instead, I educated her on the real value of her father's car. I explained that only an NCRS member would not only restore her father's car back to its original condition, but would also be truly interested in the car's history that only she could reveal from her real-life experiences. I have spent a good deal of my time responding to PM's and e-mails from several members who have thanked me for finding this car and helping make it available to those who really love old Corvettes. The bottom line is that my post was not an ad to sell a car. If I have offended anyone - especially Keith and Mark, I am truly sorry and hope you will accept my apology. My classmate now resides in France, so she didn't know how she would be able to deal with showing the car and completing the transaction. Several people think I'm nuts for spending my time with this when I won't make a single dime, but I am doing it for my NCRS friends and my love of Corvettes. My compensation is not monetary, but rather satisfaction that I'm helping another human being and saving a Corvette from the junk yard. I know it sounds corny, but there's still a few of us left.

Roger (50141)

[Mark D.]

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Roger,

Pal...you didn't offend me and, as a matter of fact, I want to vomit everytime someone says...I'm offended.

You are missing the point, which is, I am all for selling cars and parts here. Does anyone not get it? I AM ALL FOR SELLING CORVETTE STUFF HERE! I just think we should all be able to do it. The car you presented is great. I thoroughly enjoyed reading about it and I hope someone here buys it.

Since your classmate lives in France and you know her and the car, you put the info up and tell the membership to contact you if interested. A member contacts you and the car does, in fact, sell because of the post you made here. In effect what has happened is, a non member car was sold through the TDB.

I, and many others, are very involved with the NCRS. I judge and am on the 68/69, 70-72 JG revision teams, I post fairly often on the TDB and I belong to multiple NCRS chapters...but...if I post my car here (like you did this one) it will be removed.

I'm jus sayin, in my opinion it is not fair to sell your classmate's car (again, a non member) when the rest of us (paying members) can't. That's all I'm saying.

Other than that, I'm with ya buddy. IF, someone IS offended by your initial post, who gives a rat's [censored]? Don't be so quick to apologize.

Regards,

Mark

PS- The part about you being the only guy left on the planet with a heart and soul does sound corny...and incorrect.

[Ridge K.]

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Mark D. does make a very good point. There shouldn't be a gray area. It should be just as simple as this, the TDB either will have a "for sale" section, ....or it won't. But either way, let's get it decided once and for all, and not discuss it back and forth for years to come.

If the board is struggling with the issue, it's a very easy matter to poll the membership. At least that's how many fraternal organizations made up of different individuals with a common interest, ....handle proposed changes. If the indecisiveness is being caused by some concern for possible loss to DriveLine advertising revenues, once again, let's see what the members think.

One final thought for what it's worth, to further illustate how this issue is slowly simmering to a boil.
About a year ago, one of our newer members was struggling with how he might sell one of his classic cars, in order to purchase a vintage Corvette that had just surfaced. Sounds like a mutually beneficial matter of interest for all members of the club, to me.
This new member was asking for advice about how one might sell a classic car quickly. Dozens of posts offering help had already come in, when the thought crossed my mind that perhaps my own personal experience with an interent auction sales attempt, could be very helpful to this member asking for advice.

I simply mentioned that I had (at the time) recently listed one of my classic cars on a very popular internet auction site, and what the results were.
Within ten minutes of my posting, one of the senior members of this club promptly complained about my post as "having offered my car for sale", and the entire thread was deleted by the monitors.

I won't comment here what I thought about the appropriateness of my post being reported.
Let's get this settled once and for all......

[Paul J.]

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Gentlemen,
I certainly didn't intend to "stir it up" by posting the barn find '65 Corvette that I was so fortunate to experience a few weeks ago. The main reason for the post was to share my experience since I thought other enthusiasts would appreciate the story and the photos. For me, it is one of the reasons why I check the TDB almost daily, and why I set my DVR so I can watch many of the classic car shows on television. I barely knew this girl in high school nearly 30 years ago, but she found me because of my Vette. I thought that was pretty neat, and appreciated her reaching out to me for my help with her late father's car. If I was interested in the money, I could have taken the car from her for next to nothing and made myself a quick 5 to 10 grand. Instead, I educated her on the real value of her father's car. I explained that only an NCRS member would not only restore her father's car back to its original condition, but would also be truly interested in the car's history that only she could reveal from her real-life experiences. I have spent a good deal of my time responding to PM's and e-mails from several members who have thanked me for finding this car and helping make it available to those who really love old Corvettes. The bottom line is that my post was not an ad to sell a car. If I have offended anyone - especially Keith and Mark, I am truly sorry and hope you will accept my apology. My classmate now resides in France, so she didn't know how she would be able to deal with showing the car and completing the transaction. Several people think I'm nuts for spending my time with this when I won't make a single dime, but I am doing it for my NCRS friends and my love of Corvettes. My compensation is not monetary, but rather satisfaction that I'm helping another human being and saving a Corvette from the junk yard. I know it sounds corny, but there's still a few of us left.

Roger (50141)

Don't apologize, Roger, I greatly enjoyed your original post. I love seeing and hearing about barn finds (I have two of them in my driveway).

I disagree with Mark that your post was an ad. We've discussed this in posts #12, 13, and 15. He has his opinion of what an ad is and I have mine.

Paul

[Kenneth F.]

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Roger,

I enjoyed your post. I appreciate your concern for Corvettes and believe a lot of us enjoy reading a positive story like yours.

Ken

[Martin N.]

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Don't apologize, Roger, I greatly enjoyed your original post. I love seeing and hearing about barn finds (I have two of them in my driveway).

I disagree with Mark that your post was an ad. We've discussed this in posts #12, 13, and 15. He has his opinion of what an ad is and I have mine.

Paul

Roger-
I agree with Paul's statement, it's a very interesting "Barn Find" story which I also love to read & hear about. I felt in no way that you were "selling" a vehicle to make a profit. If anything I'd say you were asking this board to offer some thoughts, suggestions & interest if we were so inclined to do so. To me it was JUST an interesting story.

Marty

[Roger P.]

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I just wanted to thank Paul, Ken, and Marty, as well as the others on this thread and those who have privately contacted me, for your support and understanding of the intent of my "barn find" post. Personally, I thought it was clearly a story about a barn find Corvette that might be of interest to NCRS members. With regard to having an online classified section, that would be a great idea that should be considered by those who make the rules. In my opinion, it would benefit both sellers and buyers. As NCRS members, we can advertise in the Driveline or use any of several online classified sources. Driveline advertising does take longer to reach potential buyers, but it gets the undivided attention of your targeted audience as most members anticipate its arrival every month. I couldn't advertise my classmate's Vette as it's not my car to sell, but I knew it would be of great interest to NCRS members. It is a classic Corvette. It requires restoration. NCRS... National Corvette Restorers Society. Hello!! If the story was the same, but I didn't know the owner, would that have made my post acceptable? Like Stu said, we shouldn't be splitting hairs. This is not about advertising a car for sale -- but it's all about the reason I joined the NCRS. Just as I enjoyed following Jack's cross-country trip in his '66 convertible, I look forward to following the restoration of this one-owner '65 convertible. My guess is that most of you do, too!

Roger (50141)

PS- Mark, I didn't say that I was "the only guy left on the planet with a heart and soul" as you put it. What I was alluding to is that I am a person who believes in doing the "right thing" whenever possible. If I'm not in the majority, then I can live with that.

[Paul B.]

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....was there a "Buy It Now" price???