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  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 31, 1988
    • 43198

    L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

    I'm still trying to get a "handle" (no pun intended) on this dipstick. The 1968-E1969 dipstick, GM #3925520, is pretty well known. Among other things, it had a white button on the end of the loop handle.

    In later 1969 the dipstick changed to GM #3959158. This is the dipstick I have very little information on and the subject of my quest. I do know that the 3959158 had slightly different specs for the "add" mark. For the 3925520 the dimension from the seat to the add mark was supposed to be 18-1/2". For the 3959158 the seat to add mark dimension was supposed to be 19".

    In addition to the above difference, I would expect that, given GM's pattern for dipstick identification, the color of the button would have been different than the earlier dipstick, but I don't know that, for sure.

    There is also the issue of whether 1969 big blocks with C-60 originally used a longer dipstick (with a red button) and dipstick tube. Personally, I don't think this ever occurred. The longer dipstick was GM #3981088 (which did have a red button) and the dipstick tube was GM #3981089. I know of no other longer dipstick than the 3981088. The original drawing for the 3981088 dipstick is dated 9-9-69 and that's just about what I would expect given the part number. I see no way that such a piece would have been available for use on any 1969 except, POSSIBLY, VERY late 1969's and I even doubt that. Later 1970 Corvettes with 454, with or without C-60, did use the longer dipstick and tube and this continued right through the end of 1974.

    The GM #3959158 dipstick, which had replaced both earlier Corvette big block dipsticks, was discontinued in November, 1970 and replaced by the 3981088. Instructions were provided in the P&A catalog that whenever an earlier dipstick was replaced with this dipstick, the tube also had to be replaced with the 3981089. I believe this is how the 3981088 ended up on 1969 (and earlier) Corvettes. There might even have been some sort of service bulletin issued about 1970 for 1969-E1970 Corvettes advising dealers to replace the dipstick and tube for customers with big block and C-60 and complaining of difficulty in accessing the dipstick. I don't know that happened but I see it as a very real possibility.

    If anyone has a 1969 to E1970 Corvette that they believe has its original dipstick, please let us know what color button it has, what the dimension is from the seat to the "add" mark, and the approximate build date of the car. If possible, a photo(s) of the dipstick would be nice, too. The "more the merrier" here; we need lots of "data points.
    Last edited by Joe L.; October 14, 2010, 03:18 PM.
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  • Dennis S.
    Expired
    • March 31, 2004
    • 228

    #2
    Re: L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

    Joe
    My '69 L36 engine is dated March 25th and the car April 7th. Here are a couple of pictures of the dipstick...but I measure approx 17-1/2" from the seat (?) as shown. The engine was untouched when I bought it. Non C-60 car.
    Dennis
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    Last edited by Dennis S.; October 14, 2010, 07:59 PM.

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    • Joe L.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • January 31, 1988
      • 43198

      #3
      Re: L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

      Originally posted by Dennis Stubee (41797)
      Joe
      My '69 L36 engine is dated March 25th and the car April 7th. Here are a couple of pictures of the dipstick...but I measure approx 17-1/2" from the seat (?) as shown. The engine was untouched when I bought it. Non C-60 car.
      Dennis
      Dennis------


      Thanks. I think I just discovered where the measurement problem is. For these big block dipsticks, apparently the measurement was not taken from the seat (as it shows in the P&A catalogs). It was measured from the top of the "bell", between the bell and the collar at the bottom of the handle. See attached drawing. Could you re-measure it using this as the upper end?
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      • Dennis S.
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        • March 31, 2004
        • 228

        #4
        Re: L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

        From the top of the bell to the add mark is 18-1/8"

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        • Joe L.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • January 31, 1988
          • 43198

          #5
          Re: L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

          Originally posted by Dennis Stubee (41797)
          From the top of the bell to the add mark is 18-1/8"

          Dennis------


          OK, thanks. That differs from the specs I have for either the 3925520 or the 3959158, but it's closer to the specs for the 3925520. I feel very confident that your dipstick is original, though.

          I sure hope we get some more "data points" from others so we can sort this thing out once-and-for-all.
          In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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          • James R.
            Expired
            • October 3, 2010
            • 15

            #6
            Re: L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

            Joe,

            I have an early Nov '68 built '69, the engine was changed under warranty in 1970(don't know date)it's a high HP engine and I imagine only the short was changed did you get a new stick with your short engine mine has the white end and measures 19".

            cheers
            Jim

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            • Joe L.
              Beyond Control Poster
              • January 31, 1988
              • 43198

              #7
              Re: L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

              Originally posted by James Russell (52282)
              Joe,

              I have an early Nov '68 built '69, the engine was changed under warranty in 1970(don't know date)it's a high HP engine and I imagine only the short was changed did you get a new stick with your short engine mine has the white end and measures 19".

              cheers
              Jim
              Jim------

              Generally, a dipstick and tube would not be supplied with an engine assembly, either a short block or, even, a complete engine. So, if your engine was replaced, the dipstick and tube would usually be transferred from the failed engine.

              Is your 19" dimension as measured from the top of the bell (as shown in the diagram I previously posted), to the "add" mark?
              In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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              • James R.
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                • October 3, 2010
                • 15

                #8
                Re: L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

                Originally posted by Joe Lucia (12484)
                Jim------
                Is your 19" dimension as measured from the top of the bell (as shown in the diagram I previously posted), to the "add" mark?
                Sorry Joe I may have misunderstood, total lenth is 19", 18 1/2 to the "A" of the ADD from the top of the bell.



                Last edited by James R.; October 15, 2010, 10:24 PM.

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                • Joe L.
                  Beyond Control Poster
                  • January 31, 1988
                  • 43198

                  #9
                  Re: L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

                  Originally posted by James Russell (52282)
                  Sorry Joe I may have misunderstood, total lenth is 19", 18 1/2 to the "A" of the ADD from the top of the bell.



                  James------

                  Excellent. Thanks. I would say this is definitely an original GM #3925520.
                  In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                  • Chris H.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • March 31, 2000
                    • 837

                    #10
                    Re: L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

                    Joe, attached are photos of my LS5 dipstick. The motor was built ion 12/19/69 and the car was built on 1/9/70. It measures 24 inches to the add mark. The button fell off at some point or was never there to begin with. The car is a Bowtie car. In the engine bay it sticks up pretty high. I can get more photos if you wish. Chris
                    Attached Files
                    1969 Riverside Gold Coupe, L71, 14,000 miles. Top Flight, 2 Star Bowtie.

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                    • Joe L.
                      Beyond Control Poster
                      • January 31, 1988
                      • 43198

                      #11
                      Re: L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

                      Originally posted by Chris Hewitt (33863)
                      Joe, attached are photos of my LS5 dipstick. The motor was built ion 12/19/69 and the car was built on 1/9/70. It measures 24 inches to the add mark. The button fell off at some point or was never there to begin with. The car is a Bowtie car. In the engine bay it sticks up pretty high. I can get more photos if you wish. Chris

                      Chris-----

                      Thanks. The dipstick you have is a GM #3981088. It's the only dipstick of the dimension you described. So, you need a red button on it. All 3981088 used a red button.

                      I'm a bit surprised, though, that the 3981088 was being used this early. It would just about indicate that the "mystery dipstick", GM # 3959158 was not used, at all, for 1970. By the way, does this car have C-60?
                      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                      • Donald S.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • August 31, 1996
                        • 186

                        #12
                        Re: L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

                        Joe,

                        Your comments regarding late 1969 dipsticks has peaked my interest. I've owned my November built '69 435 for all but it's first seven years, and I know that someone had been in the motor before I bought it. All the "major" components were there and correct, but the car had Hooker sidepipes and I noticed the dipstick looked original except the handle seemed longer. Unfortunately my camera is on loan for a week, but I dug it our of my spare parts box (I replaced it with a repro when I restored the car to agree with the J/G)
                        It measures the 19" to the top of the bell but comes out at a 45* angle 6-1/2" to the top of the "loop"; the end is flatted so no colored plug resided there. I thought previous owners may have replaced it to get it out of the way of the headers, but now I'm wondering if it could have been original to the car. It has the ADD / FULL / ENGINE OIL markings with a small "E" on its back next to the ENGINE OIL. Does this sound like it could be the one you're refering to that would be for cars w/ C60? Maybe it was changed early on as you mentioned to easily access the dipstick?

                        Don

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                        • Chris H.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • March 31, 2000
                          • 837

                          #13
                          Re: L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

                          Joe, interesting, thanks. Also, it's a non AC car. Chris
                          1969 Riverside Gold Coupe, L71, 14,000 miles. Top Flight, 2 Star Bowtie.

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                          • D S.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • February 28, 2005
                            • 1551

                            #14
                            Re: L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

                            Originally posted by Joe Lucia (12484)
                            Chris-----

                            Thanks. The dipstick you have is a GM #3981088. It's the only dipstick of the dimension you described. So, you need a red button on it. All 3981088 used a red button.

                            I'm a bit surprised, though, that the 3981088 was being used this early. It would just about indicate that the "mystery dipstick", GM # 3959158 was not used, at all, for 1970. By the way, does this car have C-60?
                            Joe, my March built 1970 LS-5 with C-60 is just like Chris's and like his the button is gone. But the 1970-1972 JG says they are supposed to be black buttons. Is this an error in the 4th Edition?

                            Thanks,
                            Scott Sims
                            Texas Chapter

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                            • Joe L.
                              Beyond Control Poster
                              • January 31, 1988
                              • 43198

                              #15
                              Re: L1969 to E 1970 Big Block Dipstick

                              Originally posted by D Scott Sims (43568)
                              Joe, my March built 1970 LS-5 with C-60 is just like Chris's and like his the button is gone. But the 1970-1972 JG says they are supposed to be black buttons. Is this an error in the 4th Edition?

                              Thanks,
                              Scott Sims
                              Texas Chapter
                              Scott------

                              It is possible that the L1969-E70 big block dipstick had a black plug. I don't think so, but it's possible. The fact is I just don't know very much, at all, about this "mystery dipstick". In fact, about all I know is that it was 19" from the top of the bell to the "add" mark. I do think that most 1970's and all 1971-74 used the dipstick with a red plastic plug and 24" dimension from the top of the bell to the "add" mark.

                              I'm hoping we'll be able to find out more about the "mystery dipstick" from folks reporting in regarding their 1969-E1070 dipstick configuration
                              In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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