C1 Top Flight Paint Question for the Judges

[Larry E.]

Just curious on the below; lets say it pertains to 1956-1962 Models.

I told there is no way to know what the original color of the car was from
the factory since there is no trim tag. That being said let's say a C1
earned Top Flight several years ago with White being the color. Through
a lot of work and phone calls the owner finds the original owner and he tells
and proves to the current owner that the car was painted Red original.
Current owner now repaints the car Red so it can be original. Now is this car banned
from NCRS in getting judged again since all records show the car is supposed to be White? Comments Please

Larry

[Tom H.]

Re: C1 Top Flight Paint Question for the Judges

I'm going to say the car should be clear for judging again. The way I see the rules, since there is no trim tag, this situation could happen and be OK. Am I wrong ??

[Tracy C.]

Re: C1 Top Flight Paint Question for the Judges

No you are not wrong Tom. Because there is no definitive paint code identifier on the first gen cars, there is no basis for being banned. I'm sure there are many top flight cars out there that are painted the wrong color. The sin comes when the trim tag is replaced in an effort to counterfit the car.

tc

[Larry E.]

Re: C1 Top Flight Paint Question for the Judges

So that means that C1's can get two or several Top Flights with the same car all with different colors; correct?
Larry

[Michael W.]

Re: C1 Top Flight Paint Question for the Judges

So that means that C1's can get two or several Top Flights with the same car all with different colors; correct?
Larry

Larry,

In a related theme any car of any C1- C3 generation can be 'reconfigured' with all sorts of different options and still be eligible for a Top Flight award. Other than C2 trim tags, there's no authentification involved in judging.

[Terry M.]

Re: C1 Top Flight Paint Question for the Judges

Larry,

In a related theme any car of any C1- C3 generation can be 'reconfigured' with all sorts of different options and still be eligible for a Top Flight award. Other than C2 trim tags, there's no authentification involved in judging.

[Tracy C.]

Re: C1 Top Flight Paint Question for the Judges

So that means that C1's can get two or several Top Flights with the same car all with different colors; correct?
Larry

Yes Larry, your statement is correct. Body color is 85 points. Even if deemed "incorrect", and recieve a total deduct on body color, you can Top Flight the car.

There is no way to "prove" a black first gen car should be fawn or vise versa. To recieve a full deduct, the color shade would be off a known color standard for an availible color... or it would have some non factory stripe.... or even Zora's autograph on the deck lid. Any of these and your car recieves the full deduct.

Bring it back as many times as you want in any color you want as long as the color was availible for that year and is the correct shade.

tc

[Michael W.]

Re: C1 Top Flight Paint Question for the Judges

And for reference the same information in the Tech Library Vol. 1 applies equally to C2s and C3s.
So Mike add C3s to your statement.

Terry,

I was under the impression that the manual written by Al Grenning and Roy Sinor applied to mid-year tags only so did not pursue the subject for C3s.

Being that tags on the latter have no common features with the earlier cars, although I can see the science working for both, am I confused (again)?. If not, what/where is the guidelines for the C3 cars?

Edit: I just looked at the on-line scoring sheets (summary) and the notation simply limits a C3 to second flight, not the same process as C2s..........

[Steven B.]

Re: C1 Top Flight Paint Question for the Judges

Larry, as the manuals and judging classes stress it is "appearance" that is judged. The colors must be factory offered for the year judged and of the appearance. Depending on year, solid axle cars had the color they were to be painted in crayon (covered with paint) behind the trunk cardboard.

Steve

[Terry M.]

Re: C1 Top Flight Paint Question for the Judges

Terry,

I was under the impression that the manual written by Al Grenning and Roy Sinor applied to mid-year tags only so did not pursue the subject for C3s.

Being that tags on the latter have no common features with the earlier cars, although I can see the science working for both, am I confused (again)?. If not, what/where is the guidelines for the C3 cars?

Edit: I just looked at the on-line scoring sheets (summary) and the notation simply limits a C3 to second flight, not the same process as C2s..........

Actually the St Louis stamped portion of the C3 tags (at least for St Louis produced C3s) was done with the same machine as the C2s, so they do have a lot in common. Just look for the "footprints" behind the stamped letters and numbers. The C3 version of the "Trim Tag book" has been slow to materialize due to the difficulty of getting good quality photos because of the trim tag location on C3s.

I suspect the C3 score sheets have yet to be updated with the latest and greatest rules. We'll get there over the Winter I suspect. The new Corvette Shipping information may be slowing the process some.