Leaving the Concord National Meet

[Edward M.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

It's our business because many of us are truly missing Roy's contribution here and feel like we are the ones being punished. Banish Roy from judged events all you want, that's what the rules say, I'm fine with that and agree I don't know the whole story regarding the judging violation and punishment. The banishment from discussion is a whole nother kettle of fish that does affect me.

I know I am going to regret doing this, but I am going to take one more shot at this.

This is between Roy and NCRS. There is a lot more to this issue than most people are aware of, and they don't need to be aware of it.

There are two sides to this story, and one side has chosen to keep it private. In my opinion, that was the correct decision.

Roy is alive and well on other web sites, so no one is really losing his valuable contributions (and I agree, they are valuable).

One side has made at least one, and I suspect more than one, attempt to work this out privately.

If people stop reacting emotionally, and think about the entire situation, and perhaps do some historical research, the rationale behind some of these decisions will become much clearer.

I truly hope Roy chooses to continue to contribute, in whatever capacity he feels confortable with.

Everytime one of these threads gets started, I am reminded of the old saying..."you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem".

[Mike M.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

[quote=Edward McComas (9316);511953]I know I am going to regret doing this, but I am going to take one more shot at this.

This is between Roy and NCRS. There is a lot more to this issue than most people are aware of, and they don't need to be aware of it.

There are two sides to this story, and one side has chosen to keep it private. In my opinion, that was the correct decision.

Roy is alive and well on other web sites, so no one is really losing his valuable contributions (and I agree, they are valuable).

One side has made at least one, and I suspect more than one, attempt to work this out privately.

If people stop reacting emotionally, and think about the entire situation, and perhaps do some historical research, the rationale behind some of these decisions will become much clearer.

I truly hope Roy chooses to continue to contribute, in whatever capacity he feels confortable with.

Everytime one of these threads gets started, I am reminded of the old saying..."you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem".[/quot
Ed: i don't regret your posting your thoughts which i agree with . i regret i didn't have the gonads to compose an identical reply. regards,mike

[Chuck M.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

I dont know Roy and dont know the details of this situation nor do I want to .

From what I have pieced together it sounds like he drove his car to the meet and then wanted to remove it from the field because it was the only transportation he had. I dont have the JRM in front of me but isnt that permitted?

Chuck

[Keith L.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

Valeria, I was on the gate and I'm pretty sure no other flight judged cars left early. The cars displayed under the roof behind the gate workers were told they could leave at 3:30 I believe, and they didn't start till then. Probably some of the cars you saw were from the Vette only parking which was everything form member's drivers to non members driving Vettes.

[Valeria H.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

In my very short time with the NCRS, I will terribly miss posts and replies from Roy.

As I was there in Charlotte and really hot, wanting to "get out" ASAP, being under the Z-maz "shed" and asking constantly about leaving, I was given the red light. Several of the cars on display left far before I was given the go ahead. That is my comment.

I would like for all sanctions to be fair regardless of the member's personality, past history etc. I would like NCRS to be the ultimate in fairness.

Unfortunately I also have had to ruthlessly defend the NCRS with my other Corvette groups in the last year.

This just adds one more nail to the coffin of NCRS. I thought we were suppose to be supporting and elevating Corvette restoration through the generations. Not being hard asses?

I know Roy "Stirring the Pot" but...
I hope you did not cut off your nose to spite your face.

Just thinking?

Crazy About Corvettes

[Keith L.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

In my very short time with the NCRS, I will terribly miss posts and replies from Roy.

As I was there in Charlotte and really hot, wanting to "get out" ASAP, being under the Z-maz "shed" and asking constantly about leaving, I was given the red light. Several of the cars on display left far before I was given the go ahead. That is my comment.

I would like for all sanctions to be fair regardless of the member's personality, past history etc. I would like NCRS to be the ultimate in fairness.

Unfortunately I also have had to ruthlessly defend the NCRS with my other Corvette groups in the last year.

This just adds one more nail to the coffin of NCRS. I thought we were suppose to be supporting and elevating Corvette restoration through the generations. Not being hard asses?

I know Roy "Stirring the Pot" but...
I hope you did not cut off your nose to spite your face.

Just thinking?

Crazy About Corvettes

What time did you leave and who gave you the go ahead?

[Keith L.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

What time did you leave and who gave you the go ahead?

The reason I ask is, I think you were parked where the 60s and the vintage race cars were. I remember being told by Roy I think that he had told those guys they could leave at 3:30, and to make sure no one left before that. Then when we heard them start cranking up I looked at my cell and it said 3:30. Not all left then as I guess they were busy else where. Then In a little while we saw Reba walking down from the grandstand area, we assumed to release them. Someone said she must not know they have already been told.
So maybe you were released after some had been told.

[Richard E.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

I am sure these rules on leaving were put in place over the years after many instances of people leaving whenever,judges getting almost hit or
run over while under a car judging,accidents ect.ect.
If there were no rules it would be a lot worse in the long run than following a few simple rules(applied the same way to all)... IMHO

[Donald O.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

I know I am going to regret doing this, but I am going to take one more shot at this.

This is between Roy and NCRS. There is a lot more to this issue than most people are aware of, and they don't need to be aware of it.

There are two sides to this story, and one side has chosen to keep it private. In my opinion, that was the correct decision.

Roy is alive and well on other web sites, so no one is really losing his valuable contributions (and I agree, they are valuable).

One side has made at least one, and I suspect more than one, attempt to work this out privately.

If people stop reacting emotionally, and think about the entire situation, and perhaps do some historical research, the rationale behind some of these decisions will become much clearer.

I truly hope Roy chooses to continue to contribute, in whatever capacity he feels confortable with.

Everytime one of these threads gets started, I am reminded of the old saying..."you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem".

I agree Pedro.

Enough is enough about poor old Roy and his suspensions. Those that don't like the rules o9f the game are free to play elsewhere.

Hopefully the Moderator will make all of these anti-NCRS posts disappear too.

DonO

[Mark D.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

I agree Pedro.

Enough is enough about poor old Roy and his suspensions. Those that don't like the rules o9f the game are free to play elsewhere.

Hopefully the Moderator will make all of these anti-NCRS posts disappear too.

DonO

RARIK!!!

[Donald O.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

RARIK!!!

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

[Henry S.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

I like most others hate the negative light this "episode" has shined on the NCRS. An organization doesn't exist for 30 plus years, have membership numbering 50,000 plus (over 15,000 current members) unless they are doing alot of things right.

Since I haven't been to that many meets, is this leaving early a large problem? Does it happen at every meet? I totally agree with the rule and understand the reasoning behind it. The penalty should be enforced whether your membership number is 1 or 50,000. With all this attention it is probably safe to say that if this rule has been lax in the past it will be watched alot closer now.

[Mark D.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

Henry,

Well said and, I'm with ya...however...I'm not sure there has been that much negative light on our organization.

The guy with the biggest light has been Roy himself. He starts these posts with "now I'm not saying anything bad about NCRS" and then goes on to blast the organization. Most of the negative stuff has always come from the Corvette Forum. I belong to that forum and most there are great folks, but, there is a small minority that scream the most and know the least.

Roy will serve his penance and then be back here helping us all with his knowledge and, I'm sure, some more "now I'm not saying anything bad..." posts. In the mean time his contributions will be realized on the CF, so, if anyone feels penalized by his absence, just head over there and check him out.

NCRS is a great group of good, decent and very knowledgeable folks. If anyone takes the time to get involved, they too will realize that. To all the others, nothing will ever change their minds. In the entire history of earth, 10% of every group are a horses [censored] and the other 90% are great folks. 10% are great people that will never care for NCRS. That's the way it's always been and the way it will always be.

Regards,

Mark

[Valeria H.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

Valeria, I was on the gate and I'm pretty sure no other flight judged cars left early. The cars displayed under the roof behind the gate workers were told they could leave at 3:30 I believe, and they didn't start till then. Probably some of the cars you saw were from the Vette only parking which was everything form member's drivers to non members driving Vettes.

Thanks for the clarification on that. The cars I saw leaving early were on the far end of the shelter. It was hard to see if they were under the shelter or next to it.
Valeria

[Edward S.]

Re: Leaving the Concord National Meet

I find it hard to think we are still on this subject. Before the first postings were pulled, more then just a few people reported that Roy has done the very same thing on other occasions. I have followed Roy's career since the 80's when I was a member of the Straight Axle Club and Roy was the President, it's now 2010 - so we all know this was not Roy's first rodeo. He knew the rules, chose to break them again and is now unhappy with the results. I agree that this situation involves alot more then meets the eye and should remain between Roy and the NCRS.
If we have members who feel they must drop out over this, sorry to see them go but they are free to follow their heart - we have no rules that say they can"t.
I have been a member for a fairly long time and have always been pleased with our people and our growth. I doubt we could have reached the position we enjoy today by throwing a great number of people under the bus. I would not have stayed a member this long if other members were getting the shaft. I would hope we can get over this soon, learn from it and go back to spending our time being productive. IMHO