67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

[Stephen G.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

Thanks to Jim for the pictures. Now I finally understand the tab cutout. My cluster does not have that cutout. I've tried to upload some pictures of my cluster but I can't seem to make the upload work right now. So now I wonder...If my cluster never had the tab cut out did it have the switch in the non AC position from the factory?

I'm assuming that it will drop in with the cut out. Because I sure can't make it happen without it.

[Harry S.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

Just a reminder, on an AC car the ears with the screw holes on the switch go under the cluster. On a non-AC car they go above the cluster.

[Stephen G.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

Now you tell me!!! Thanks Harry. No problem mounting it under the cluster in the inboard position. I was trying to get the ears on top as it would be in the outboard position.

[Stephen G.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

I finally managed to get one photo of the inboard switch cutout. Notice no notch cutout. But if Harry is correct and the tabs mount below the cluster the cutout is not needed anyway.

Can't we call the guy that build my car and ask him?

[Scott S.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

Thanks to Jim for the pictures. Now I finally understand the tab cutout. My cluster does not have that cutout. I've tried to upload some pictures of my cluster but I can't seem to make the upload work right now. So now I wonder...If my cluster never had the tab cut out did it have the switch in the non AC position from the factory?

I'm assuming that it will drop in with the cut out. Because I sure can't make it happen without it.

Steve,

Here is the 1963 AIM page, the only AIM that actually shows the "Tab" removal detail, "View C".

[Harry S.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

Now you tell me!!! Thanks Harry. No problem mounting it under the cluster in the inboard position. I was trying to get the ears on top as it would be in the outboard position.

Also, most judges don't know this, so bring that page of the AIM with you when having it judged. I had to re-learn 63 installation and parts when I got my AC Coupe. Such as the RH horn is mounted in a different location. The windshield washer setup is different, the battery location, battery cables, battery access, etc, etc, etc......

[Mike M.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

i recall Roby Price, the 67 team leader in the mid 80's, instructing his interior judges to look for the inboard positioning in c-60 67's. i had a 67 400 c-60 car and it was located inboard and as Harry mentioned above. mike

[Scott S.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

I finally managed to get one photo of the inboard switch cutout. Notice no notch cutout. But if Harry is correct and the tabs mount below the cluster the cutout is not needed anyway.

If the Tab is not removed, I don't think the headlamp motor switch can slide far enough back into the slot for the screw holes in the switch to align with the screw holes in the Dash Cluster.

[Scott S.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

Just a reminder, on an AC car the ears with the screw holes on the switch go under the cluster. On a non-AC car they go above the cluster.

Then if I understand correctly, the switch on my Dash Cluster (post #20) is mounted incorrectly, like a non-C60 car, with the switch tabs with screw holes hidden (inboard), instead of outboard in plain view. Does anyone know the reason for mounting the switch with the ears outboard for C60?

[Harry S.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

Room for maintenance. If you had to remove the switch or anything behind the cluster you needed more room to maneuver.

[Scott S.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

Room for maintenance. If you had to remove the switch or anything behind the cluster you needed more room to maneuver.

Thanks Harry. I hadn't noticed the difference about the switch ears being mounted inboard (non-C60) or outboard (with C60) before, but I see it now in the '67 AIM drawings on the respective pages (UPC 12-B4 and C60-E7). The '63 AIM page also shows the (C60) headlamp motor switch with the 'ears' mounted on the outboard side (bottom) of the Instrument Cluster.

[Scott S.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

17xxx factory installed closer to the column

Nick,

It looks like the Headlamp Motor Switch in your photo (post #9) is mounted with the 'ears' on the inboard side of the Instrument Cluster, like a car without C60. If I am seeing that correctly, has the switch in your photo been removed and reinstalled incorrectly at some point, or have you seen original '67s with C60 having the switch mounted both ways (i.e., 'ears' hidden or visible), at the slot near the steering column?

[Page C.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

Just looked at 2 1965's with air condition. One is an early car and one is late. Both have the switch mounted inboard with the ears above the cluster like a typical non air installation.
Another thing to consider is that the repro and service replacement switches have a longer toggle than the originals. So if it has the short toggle, it's probably has not been replaced and is in it's original location in relation to the cluster.

[Nick C.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

Nick,

It looks like the Headlamp Motor Switch in your photo (post #9) is mounted with the 'ears' on the inboard side of the Instrument Cluster, like a car without C60. If I am seeing that correctly, has the switch in your photo been removed and reinstalled incorrectly at some point, or have you seen original '67s with C60 having the switch mounted both ways (i.e., 'ears' hidden or visible), at the slot near the steering column?

I think Roby (RIP) would agree, as known original examples observed indicate: the switch tabs were typically mounted above the edge of the instrument cluster as pictured. Looking up at the switch, the tabs for the switch were not visible. Was every single factory installation done this way? How would anyone know? Simple observation of known unmolested factory installation is the only proof we have.

[Ray G.]

Re: 67 Headlight Bucket Switch in AC Cars

Thanks Harry. I hadn't noticed the difference about the switch ears being mounted inboard (non-C60) or outboard (with C60) before, but I see it now in the '67 AIM drawings on the respective pages (UPC 12-B4 and C60-E7). The '63 AIM page also shows the (C60) headlamp motor switch with the 'ears' mounted on the outboard side (bottom) of the Instrument Cluster.

Hello;
Interesting discussion.
Can anyone post the AIM pages Scott writes of in this post ?