NCRS Judging- regional vs chapter

[John S.]

Can I get some input on what is best to have a car judged for top flight. Better to go to regional meet or chapter judging? Is there a 'value' in credentials in which one a car was judged at or if one receives a top flight, still same credibility/value in either type meet?

New to this NCRS judging events, so any advice appreciated.
John - 63 split window

[Edward J.]

Re: NCRS Judging- regional vs chapter

John, most would say go to the chapter first to get the bugs out first, Then head to the regional meet, and then if you want the national, where you'll see the best of the best for judges. not to say that the regional doesn't, there are alot of good experienced judges out that at all levels.

[William L.]

Re: NCRS Judging- regional vs chapter

Can I get some input on what is best to have a car judged for top flight. Better to go to regional meet or chapter judging? Is there a 'value' in credentials in which one a car was judged at or if one receives a top flight, still same credibility/value in either type meet?

New to this NCRS judging events, so any advice appreciated.
John - 63 split window

I would say it is better to do a Chapter first and use it as a learning experience. You may even want to have your car judged a couple of times to get a feel for the process. I would also suggest that you observer judge or judge at a chapter it will help you to understand the NCRS process and it will help you to know your car better.
A Regional and National carries more weight than a Chapter.

[Peter L.]

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John - You asked. In my opinion taking a car thru Chapter judging and then on to Regional judging affords one an opportunity to learn the system and to find areas for improvement and to meet local Corvette owners. Many Chapter meets offer excellent judging. Regional judging meets ratchet up the judging rigor as the National Judging Team Leaders draw team members typically with a greater wealth of experience and knowledge. The bottomline is it's your call, but it's a fun hobby and you'll learn a lot at the Chapter level and hopefully even more at the Regional level. Pete

[Brian M.]

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I agree with the above 3. Good luck, and remember this is fun.

[John D.]

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Nice to see so many of you agree that the 1st option is to have your Corvette judged at the chapter level first.
Another idea is to arrange to have your car judged at a judging school sponsored by your local chapter. This in conjuction of course with chapter judging.

[John S.]

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Nice to see so many of you agree that the 1st option is to have your Corvette judged at the chapter level first.
Another idea is to arrange to have your car judged at a judging school sponsored by your local chapter. This in conjuction of course with chapter judging.

Before I got the car it had been judged at a chapter event and received top flight. Since I have corrected many items that were not really right or original, surpirsed it had been top flight before with all the itmes not correct. So maybe now some 'risk' of doing it again and not getting to top flight? It should do fine as it is now really right, hopefully!
John

[Gary C.]

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John, as others posted - the best advice is to belong to a Chapter and go through the Chapter Judging process. As JD suggested to volunteer your car for use in a Chapter Judging school. And then onto the Regional meets and when you're satisfied with those results. Go for a PV. Then move onto the Convention and try for a Duntov. There were cars at the Charlotte Convention who went from a Chapter meet to the Convention. Some of those owners were surprised with the Convention results. Gary....

[Jack H.]

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The judging standards are the same for Chapter, Regional, National. The difference is relative knowledge of the judges who turn out for the various events. Since judges are picked from the list of available volunteers who are present at a given meet, it just turns out that more and generally higher qualified judges are available from the volunteer pools of Regional and National meets.

The advice that you 'start' at the Chapter level is quite sound for the reasons stated: (1) you'll get a feel for the process, and (2) you'll discover the most obvious issues.

BUT, I can guarantee you that despite our best efforts, the judging process contains human factor issues (who knows what, did they see/catch the issues, did they make mistake(s) in their call?). I can assure you that there WILL be errors of both commission and omission at EVERY judging meet!

Bottom line, these are generally modest in nature when it comes to the car's bottom line score. But, you can expect slightly different outcome(s) each and every time you have your car judged due to the human factors issue.

[Dan H.]

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Jack is totally correct. When I had my car Judged at a chapter meet it gave me a short list of things to correct. At the Flagstaff Regional I was really handed a much more in depth list of items to address. Then at Bend Oregon they found even more, problably due to my 'fixing' the previous items making them look at other areas. Given the time for each cars judging, you will not have 'all' items identified by a single Judging team. Do tons of research in the archives here for excellent information etc. Good Luck!
Dan

[Peter M.]

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When I first had my car judged at the Chapter level the entire judging process probably took no more than 2 - 2.5 hours and yielded a 97+ score.

When next I went to a Regional meet the mechanical section alone took 3.75 hours and the entire process included 13 judges and took 8 continuous hours. My regional score was 95.4. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE

[Pat M.]

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BUT, I can guarantee you that despite our best efforts, the judging process contains human factor issues (who knows what, did they see/catch the issues, did they make mistake(s) in their call?). I can assure you that there WILL be errors of both commission and omission at EVERY judging meet!

When I first had my car judged at the Chapter level the entire judging process probably took no more than 2 - 2.5 hours and yielded a 97+ score.

When next I went to a Regional meet the mechanical section alone took 3.75 hours and the entire process included 13 judges and took 8 continuous hours. My regional score was 95.4. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE

Excellent points. You should expect errors in scoring and that your score will go down as you go up the judging ladder. Having realistic expectations will make your judging experience MUCH more enjoyable.

[Mark D.]

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When next I went to a Regional meet the mechanical section alone took 3.75 hours

You're kidding, right, just joking? C'mon now, how long did Mech I really take?

[Peter M.]

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You're kidding, right, just joking? C'mon now, how long did Mech I really take?

No, unfortunately, I am not kidding. The mechanical judging was the first team. They started a little after 8:30am and they finished a little after noon. I thought the car was in good shape, but they managed to find 108 deduct points. I think the interior judges were next.

All in all, the judging continued unabated until a little after 4pm. There were a total of 13 different judges involved in the process and it really took about 8 continuous hours to complete. This past week's National judging took less time to complete.

As I have said in the past...

"Having a car judged by the NCRS is not for the faint of heart."

[Mark D.]

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So, let's say there are eight cars to be judged...8 X 3.75 = OHOALT
If I was owner number eight, I would bring three cases of beer, a tent and a portable outhouse.

I'll bet the NTL strikes those guys off the list next time.