Judges Awards

[Ed H.]

I am looking for the prerequisites for the Red Hat, Master Judges award. Where would I find the information in an NCRS published document.

[Mike M.]

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ahving had your car judged and having 100 or more judging recognition program points. mike

[Mark D.]

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I believe you have to be a master level judge and have a car awarded a Duntov during your ownership.

[Ed H.]

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Mike,
Can you point me to the document, published by NCRS, that states this info. I was told that you receive your black hat first, wait for a period of time, and then receive the red hat on a different occasion.

[Patrick H.]

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Hi Ed:
The Red Hat Recognition was implemented since the previous Judging Reference Manual was printed. I assume the Red Hat will be included in the new edition.

The Red Hat is awarded to the Master Judge (Level 100 or higher) that has also received a Duntov, McClellan, or Hill (you, Ed) Award for a car of his/her ownership.

The Master Judge status must be achieved prior to the Red Hat. Ie, if you receive your Car Award first, then you must attain Master Judge Status (Black Hat) next. The 100-Level Awards, and Red Hats are only awarded at Nationals. Then, the recipient is eligible for a Red Hat at the following Nationals. (This is the sequence that applied to my situation).

I believe the same will apply to a Master Judge that achieves his first Duntov, McClellan, or Hill Award. Receive the award at the Nationals, then eligibility for the Red Hat the following year.

Either way, it's a 3-consecutive Nationals at minimum process. Car Award, Black Hat, Red Hat. Or Black Hat, Car Award, Red Hat.

That should clear it up.

Bowtie Award also counts toward a red hat.

[Jack H.]

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It's a bit more complicated than that, Mike. I whipped out my copy of the NCRS Judging Reference Manual and zipped to Section 12, Rule 6, NCRS Judging Recognition Program, where I thought the descriptive text would be but it wasn't there...

Roy DID publish the program description in a prior Restorer Magazine address, but my copy doesn't want to be found. Of course, that only happens when you WANT to find it, eh?

So, I'll paraphrase. The 'red hat' recognizes those NCRS members who have gone to the 'top' of the ladder on BOTH sides of the clipboard. You need to obtain a Master Judge status (100 points or level 10).

I'm fuzzy here, but you might also qualify IF you've obtained Master Tabulator status (100 points or level 10)....

You also need to have been a car owner and successfully achieved a Mark of Excellence Award (NOT just Duntov--MoE includes Duntov, McLellan and Hill). That's why I've 'brainwashed' myself NOT to use the term 'Duntov' unless it specifically applies to a given situation. I say 'MoE' so there's no confusion.

Where I'm fuzzy here is whether or not the Crossed Flag and/or Star/Bowtie awards are also equivalent qualifiers.

I'm sure Roy can clear up these details, but this isn't a good time for him since he HAS to be drinking from a fire hose in getting ready for Charlotte...

Now, after you have BOTH of the pre-requisites (Master Judge status & MoE), you are REQUIRED to physically attend an NCRS National Convention SUBSEQUENT to your completion of the pre-requisites AND be in attendance at the convention's function where the National Judging Chairman has reserved time to make the award in order to receive it.

Unlike your first (or subsequent) Black Hat, you can NOT receive the Red Hat by mail, or by attending a meet below National Convention level. You can't designate a third party to accept the award for you. And, you can't just 'pop' into a subsequent National Convention and 'hit' the Judging Chairman up for your Red Hat...

There are NO time limit(s) or order of precedence for obtaining your pre-requisites. Nor is there a time limit for how long you wait AFTER obtaining them to attend a National Convention and receive the Red Hat award.

[Reba W.]

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Like Jack I cannot find it in print but I am fairly sure that a Bowtie Award does count as a qualifier.

We are all loading up on water, Jack.

[Terry M.]

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Make sure y'all stay on just water. Save the good stuff for after the meet -- I want some. We are on our way to help.

[Ed H.]

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Thanks to all of you for your input. I too cannot find the Restorer article that Roy wrote. I received the Duntov in San Antonio, and the Dave Hill in San Jose last year. I will have over 100 judging (109) by the end of this National in Concord, N.C. I hope to receive the black hat at this meet, then on to Novi, Mi. in 2011. If not I will wait until 2012 in San Diego, for the red hat. Dave Perry this is for you, I am looking for a 75 to 82, to run through system, and see if I can pull a hat trick, and thanks for your very helpful info, as usual.

[Jack H.]

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Sounds like you've got most/all of the pre-requisites to execute your 'hat trick'... The good thing is you know the rules require you to have completed the pre-requisites and THEN return to a subsequent National Convention to receive the Red Hat award distinction...

[Ed H.]

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Thanks Jack, I like the way you simplified the matter. I would still like to know the date of the Restorer Magazine article Roy published. He writes so well and is usually very complete in his explanations, (a little suck up there). As far as the water in No. Carolina, I am looking forward to some of the liquid that comes in a quart jar. I think Whittington could point our noses in that direction. See y'all in Concord.

[Terry M.]

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Thanks Jack, I like the way you simplified the matter. I would still like to know the date of the Restorer Magazine article Roy published. He writes so well and is usually very complete in his explanations, (a little suck up there). As far as the water in No. Carolina, I am looking forward to some of the liquid that comes in a quart jar. I think Whittington could point our noses in that direction. See y'all in Concord.

Don't you think some of those older NASCAR guys know a lot about that stuff that comes in the Mason jar?

[Patrick H.]

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Don't you think some of those older NASCAR guys know a lot about that stuff that comes in the Mason jar?

and how does "old NASCAR guy" differ from "Whittington?"
I thought that they were essentially interchangeable in this context.