Paper element for fuelies?
A previous thread mentioned using a Ford conical air filter in place of the fuelie foam, oil soaked filter ('64 w/ 380 unit). Does anyone have experience with this? If so what is the Ford PN or the vehicle/year it fits. Also, apparently it is shorter than the foam element so some type of spacer has to be made (I am only interested if the system can be sealed against unfiltered air). Will appreciate any help/advice.
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According to the NAPA web page, a 2001 Expedition takes an SFI 26418 filter which looks like this:
It has a diameter at the base of 8.1" and is 7.8" tall.
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Hi Jim, Wow!!! Learned something good today. Jim and others. I have been telling people to use the NAPA 6416. Fits late 90's Ford Ranger etc. But I am sorry I told them that and do apoligize.
It's no where near as nice as the 26418.
Meanwhile 100's have played around using the 6416 with a 2nd element to fill in the gap left as the 6416 was too short and too skinny.
I don't have a midyear air cleaner here to experiment with and don't want to take my 63 FI car apart as everytime you mess with the aircleaner you gouge the paint.
One more time please. Does this 2001 EXhibition AC do the job all by itself? If it long enough??? It appears to be the identical lenth to my 6416. The 6416 Ranger AC is too short. Thanks, JDComment
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John, will need a 'pad' or spacer up front so it can seal at the back.1964 Red FI Coupe, DUNTOV '09
Drove the 64 over 5000 miles to three Regionals and the San Jose National, one dust storm and 40 lbs of bugs!Comment
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Dan, Sorry to hear that. I have to run Dan but since you are always studying this stuff here is a job for you please.
One time a customer was bragging on the phone that he found a Ford element that fit in the cannister very tight with no spacer. Said he didn't know the part number.
Wonder which one it is??? Later, JDComment
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John, it wasn't me who bragged to you on the phone...but I did find a good fitting paper filter - WIX # 46418. I originally bought the one you recommended to me which needed the additional "spacer". When we couldn't find the right sized spacer (even trying lawnmower filters), we began digging through boxes and trial fitting them to the aircleaner. The 46418 is a tight friction fit that works perfectly ( a little short, but will not move once installed or leak air around the seal).
Been meaning to share this with you...glad this thread came up.
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Hi Kent, Thanks very much. That's excellent information and I hope others see this.
Much appreciated, JohnComment
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Thanks to all for the suggestions!Comment
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The reason I gave the 2001 expedition application instead of the part number is that every brand is going to have a different part number. The one I bought is a Fram CA8039. It is a nice tight fit in the air cleaner but it is 1.5" shorter. It would be fine as is but I put a foam spacer behind it.
Still won't keep up with my Ford but I'm sure it is a better aircleaner than the original.
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Mike,
I am still not clear. If it is a tight fit, why do you need the foam spacer? Do you mean it is a tight fit to the sides, but could move forward and backward in the housing? I do drive my car hard, so don't want to take the chance of it slopping around. Thanks.
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As you can probably tell by the picture, I have not installed the FI on my '63 yet. Based on the really tight fit of the filter in the housing it's hard for me to believe that it will move once installed. My thought is that a piece of foam above the filter would always have a chance of disintegrating and being sucked straight into the air meter. If you want perfect spacing you could cut a piece of PVC and install below the cone to space it up in the housing, but again the fit is so tight I don't see a need to do that. My air cleaner is an original if the makes any difference.
BTW - I'm no expert, so maybe others have a different opinion.Comment
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Kent,
thanks. For everyone that has posted alternatives, are they all for a 2001 Expedition? If not, maybe we could get the dimensions from them to see which is the closest to original? Thanks.
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Hi Gents,
The filter element has been on my shopping list but near the bottom. When I disassembled my '64 I found a metal mesh cone-like element in the air cleaner housing. I assume that it is original and it supported a pourous element. The only thing that remained of whatever element was in there appeared to be foam rubber that was extreemly dry and crumbled to the touch. I've since cleaned all of that material from the metal screen.
I googled the WIX part number and came up with the following data if this helps anyone calculate whether it will fit the housing.
Part Number:46418UPC Number:765809464186Principal Application:Ford Cars & Trucks (95-10)</B>All ApplicationsStyle:Air FilterService:AirHeight:7.811Outer Diameter Top:5.133 Outer Diameter Bottom:8.134 Inner Diameter Top:Closed Inner Diameter Bottom:4.260 Ends:PlasticCFM:500
I would think one critical factor that I have not seen mentioned is the air flow through the filter element. The WIX data says "500 CFM". Does anyone know the specs for the original filters?
DougComment
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