67 kick panel screws

[James M.]

Here goes my understanding of the screwa for the kick panels after there was a revision made to the AIM in 6/66. There are 4 #8-1" phillips pan head with 3 with no washers screwing into the retainer (part #14) and a flat washer and the fourth screw going into the bottom center hole.

The change to the AIM used 2 different screws (from the original four) in the front top and front middle. If this is correct "What is the screw type of the remaing two screws.?" and "Were these chrome or what finish and the washer or ferral types?"

Recent judging said I had two wrong screws ( had gone by the AIM) but cannot find the specifics of the type.

Jerry, I think you were a big part of this discussion back in 2008. Please chime in.

James

[Stephen L.]

Re: 67 kick panel screws

I ran into a similiar judging problem with these screws, 2 different styles as used in 66 and possibly earlier. I argued my point as shown in the 67 AIM and also had a copy of the 66 AIM page to present as evidence that some screw types were deleted to the head judge. I won the argument, as the judges were unaware of the change between 66 & 67. At the same meet, the same judges thought that the 67 coupe should have a vinyl strip under the rear window. Again, the 67 AIM shows this item deleted while present in 66, so I was able to overturn that decision also. The key in both cases was having documentation to back up my arguments.
The 67 interior underwent changes from 66 as GM redesigned some items such as the E-brake handle, seat tracks etc.
Judges are human and not necessarily always correct on every item, that is why there is an opportunity to challenge the decisions in the judging process.

The photo is of an original 67 BB 400 kick panel

[Alan D.]

Re: 67 kick panel screws

Jim, please list the part number of the two screws used, get from AIM The number will tell us what they SB

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 kick panel screws

James,

I think Steve has it correct. The change in the AIM (Sheet E1) on 6/17/66, clearly shows that screw 9417967 (which is shown as #9 in two positions in the drawing), was replaced with screw 4751359 (#8 in the drawing). This made all six kick panel screws the same.

I assume that the two screws deleted, were the phillips screws with beveled washers, and were replaced with chrome plated shoulder headed phillips screws with an integral stainless washer. This screw head and washer is pretty fancy (as screws go) and looks like this:



That's an original off my late 67, with all six alike. I too got dinged for this once, but never again.

The 67 Judging Guide has it correct, and describes this screw in all 6 positions.

However the Judging Guide also admits that 4 of one type and two of the other are common. This is understandable, as a change in the AIM may not have been immediately changed on the assembly line. What did they do with all those phillips with beveled washers that they had on the line.

(Maybe put them in the rear of the door panel, but that's another issue)

In as much as the 67 JG admits that the 4 and 2 is common, yet the all six alike is correct, I think the judges should accept both if the screws look original.

I should also note that some repros of the above screw are quite different than the originals, and consist of a pan headed phillips with a flat washer under. A lot less fancy than the originals.

[Ray G.]

Re: 67 kick panel screws

Hello Jerry;
Is there a correct reproduction of this screw?
Thanks.
Ray

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 kick panel screws

Ray,

Not that I have found. After getting sets from two usual vendors a few years ago, I gave up and reused my originals.

But you might take one of your originals to your local hardware store and compare them to the trim screws in the little bins of special fittings. I remember seeing some that looked pretty close, but didn't have an original with me to compare.

[Michael J.]

Re: 67 kick panel screws

The ones LIC has look pretty close.

[Alan D.]

Re: 67 kick panel screws

Gerard was the Phillips screw pn 9417967 or 987? The 64 AIM shows the latter number (987). I will assume that it was still the 987 (if not never mind the rest of my comments)

It sounds like you are describing the Phillips screw pn having the cone shaped washer as part of the assembly, or at least a separate piece.
Now in 64 the correct method was to use the cone shaped washer to crimp the carpet to its backing therefore not part of the screw. Know the repo vendors sell the other way which is OK, but not quite the way GM did (at least in 64) Know such is a very small detail however it broths me that the repo houses seem to be defining what's original.

If the kick finally used the 4751359 as the only screw were the cones used any longer to hold the carpet and backing together??

[Gerard F.]

Re: 67 kick panel screws

Alan,

I think I misread it in the 67 AIM, The screw that was deleted by the June 66 change was 9417987. I think this was the phillips with the beveled washer.

My original 67 kick panel has little ferrules in 6 places which go through both the kickpanel carpeting and the kick panel backing. Not sure that you find ferrules on replacements.

Unique to 67, there is one screw in the rear of door panel on each side. On the driver side, I found a phillips with the beveled washer which I think was a 987. But on my untouched passenger side, I found a screw in that location that looks like the 4751359 in the picture above.

If you look in the 67 AIM, K15, for the door trim panel, you will not find any call out of this screw at the rear of a door panel. What you will find is a Feb 67 change to a clip, and a very confusing hole drilling change in the location of that screw.

I summize that rather than using that confusing clip in the door panel, the assembly line workers used what they had handy, that is, a kickpanel screw.

Looks like on mine, one guy had the 987 handy, and the guy on the other side hand the 359 handy