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  • Mike E.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • February 28, 1975
    • 5134

    Door outer window seals don't fit

    I'm working on a 71 convertible--ordered seals from a reputable vendor that touts theirs as perfect fit, etc. However, the "plugs" that are to push through the outer stainless molding and into the door are not located in the right places, and only some will fit, others don't line up. The pre-drilled holes on each end also don't line up with the holes in the stainless molding and the door. Is it possible that the ones I received are for a coupe rather than convertible, even though the package was properly labeled? What is the difference between the coupe an convertible upper seals? Thanks!!!
  • Steven G.
    Expired
    • November 16, 2008
    • 348

    #2
    Re: Door outer window seals don't fit

    The outer door seals (glass wipes) are different from coupe to conv., because of the top, overall length is the same, conv. are about 1 1/4" shorter on the rear inner edge. They should have the same side mounting holes and maybe one could trim the coupe type to work on conv.?, I think the problem is poor fit repo's, the OE design repos may fit better but probably not as good as GM originals. Steve

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    • Patrick H.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • November 30, 1989
      • 11608

      #3
      Re: Door outer window seals don't fit

      I received one of the very first sets of these seals in 1999 when Corvette C*ntr*l first made them. I had the same issues with a few of the "push-ins" not being in the correct location. I gave feedback directly to the owners, and even offered to show them my car so that they could see the fit problems (I live just over an hour away). I did not receive any response, and I suspect that the same fit issues are still present 10+ years later.

      As with most repro parts, "correct" just means you get to "cut to fit, paint to match" less than with other parts.

      Patrick
      Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
      71 "deer modified" coupe
      72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
      2008 coupe
      Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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      • Bill C.
        Expired
        • July 15, 2007
        • 904

        #4
        Re: Door outer window seals don't fit

        find NOS ones -

        I had same issues, and they were the only ones to line up correctly.

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        • Patrick H.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • November 30, 1989
          • 11608

          #5
          Re: Door outer window seals don't fit

          Originally posted by Bill Chamberlain (47576)
          find NOS ones -

          I had same issues, and they were the only ones to line up correctly.
          You could find any???

          Seems to me they're not that tough to modify for a good fit. Didn't take me long at all - it's just the fact that it had to be done to a "correct" piece.
          Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
          71 "deer modified" coupe
          72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
          2008 coupe
          Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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          • Bill C.
            Expired
            • July 15, 2007
            • 904

            #6
            Re: Door outer window seals don't fit

            I purchased them 3-4 years ago and used on my resto.


            Really haven't seen them around much since then. I nabbed them off ebay.

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            • Dick W.
              Former NCRS Director Region IV
              • June 30, 1985
              • 10483

              #7
              Re: Door outer window seals don't fit

              Years ago I sold many sets of those seals, manufactured by EC Products. I did not receive any complaints about installation
              Dick Whittington

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              • Patrick H.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • November 30, 1989
                • 11608

                #8
                Re: Door outer window seals don't fit

                Originally posted by Dick Whittington (8804)
                Years ago I sold many sets of those seals, manufactured by EC Products. I did not receive any complaints about installation
                I believe that the EC seals ( I have a set which IIRC are theirs) have rubber for the seal, not the "fuzzy" seal that is correct. The EC seals install fine but the rubber is the wrong material, and it's too short - it barely hits the window.

                If CC fixed the placement of the "push ins" - something they've known since I got my pair no later than August of 99 - then they'd be perfect.
                (I know the date as I was installing them in spare time after a wrist surgery I'd had on the 16th of August that year)
                Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
                71 "deer modified" coupe
                72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
                2008 coupe
                Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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                • Mike E.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • February 28, 1975
                  • 5134

                  #9
                  Re: Door outer window seals don't fit

                  Originally posted by Patrick Hulst (16386)
                  You could find any???

                  Seems to me they're not that tough to modify for a good fit. Didn't take me long at all - it's just the fact that it had to be done to a "correct" piece.
                  How did you go about modifying them?
                  Mike

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                  • Patrick H.
                    Beyond Control Poster
                    • November 30, 1989
                    • 11608

                    #10
                    Re: Door outer window seals don't fit

                    Originally posted by Mike Ernst (211)
                    How did you go about modifying them?
                    Mike
                    Take note of where you need to move the push-in; more one at a time and test fit before doing the next one.
                    Bend the tabs of the push-ins to straighten them using a small screwdriver.
                    Make new holes in the strip to insert the tabs. I think I used an awl, but no guarantees.
                    Insert tabs into new holes, bend back over.

                    The screw holes will have to be drilled or, use an awl to punch new ones.

                    Oh, I think a couple of the push-ins were too fat and I had to make them a bit narrower with a pliers to fit into the hole in the door.

                    IIRC I had to move 2 push-ins and use the awl to make 1 screw hole.

                    I hope that helps.

                    Patrick
                    Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
                    71 "deer modified" coupe
                    72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
                    2008 coupe
                    Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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                    • Alan S.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • July 31, 1989
                      • 3415

                      #11
                      Re: Door outer window seals don't fit

                      Hi Mike,
                      Could you please comment on the the shape and size of the rubber 'flap' part of your reproduction outer seal compared to your 71's originals.
                      I believe the the orignal flap is narrower and exibits a distinct lip at the the edge that touches the side window on 70-71 cars.
                      My observation is that original 'flaps' often have parts of the lip loose or missing from the pressure of the glass sliding up and down over the years.
                      Are you seeing anything like that lip?
                      I believe the CC seal was based on a 72+ seal which had a wider 'flap' and no lip.
                      Thanks for looking!
                      Regards,
                      Alan
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                      Chapter Top Flight October 2011

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                      • Pete B.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • February 21, 2007
                        • 318

                        #12
                        Re: Door outer window seals don't fit

                        I got a set from Paragon, they fit fine. However, they do not have the "lip" as Alan discussed.
                        Pete Bergmann
                        2005 - 2013 C6 National Teamleader

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                        • Jeff P.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • July 31, 1989
                          • 797

                          #13
                          Re: Door outer window seals don't fit

                          I have been searching high and low for a set of NOS for the outter 68 wipes on a coupe. Still no luck.
                          68 L79 Convertible: Triple Black: Work In Progress, Body off. Now on!
                          2014 Arctic White Z51 Vert. (Wifes)

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