Front cross over brake line assistance please

[Tim E.]

Re: Front cross over brake line assistance please

Just back from vacation and catching up on the TDB...

Thanks to all those that contributed to my research on the attachment of the front crossover line. As Rob pointed out, the change occured around May 1, 1966 (which was a Sunday). Cars up through 20541 (4/29/1966) used the single clip located in the center (first design) and cars from 20752 on (5/2/1966) used the two flat clips (second design).

If you are the owner of one of the 210 cars between 20541 and 20752, I'd like to include your car in my research: tehlers@hess.com.

Also note, if you are restoring a late '66 (after May 1), you'll need to order the '67 brake line clip kit to get the correct crossover line clamps.

PS to Jim.....yep, Carla gets the credit as usual!!

[Wayne P.]

Re: Front cross over brake line assistance please

You probably know you have to bleed the brake line .

[Gary B.]

2nd design; '66 TIM&JG description

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the new TIM&JG imply that if the latter, outboard bolts are used then the center hole is not there? I know the center clip is not there, but does the TIM&JG imply the hole is not there as well?

Gary Beaupre
Northern California Chapter

[Tim E.]

Re: Front cross over brake line assistance please

Gary - I've got my copy of the new TIMJG at home. From my observation and research:

There was one hole in the center for a spring clip up to the point of the changeover (approximately 5/1/1966).

Then, there were 3 holes (with the center hole unused) from the point of changeover until the end of the 1966 production run. The 2 outer holes were for the two flat clamps & bolts.

All 1967 cars had 2 holes (the center hole was eliminated).

I remember a couple years ago when you and I traded information, your car had the spring clip in the center AND the flat clamps on each side. At the time, you weren't sure the spring clip was original.

I had 31 other owners reply with cars built after 5/1/1966. Overwhelmingly, these owners confirmed 3 holes with 2 flat clamps. The latest car I have is 27720 built 7/30/1966.

Tim

[Gary B.]

Re: Front cross over brake line assistance please

I remember a couple years ago when you and I traded information, your car had the spring clip in the center AND the flat clamps on each side. At the time, you weren't sure the spring clip was original.

Yes, my July build data '66 had all three, but this was documented after I had someone replace all the gas and brake lines and he didn't pay attention to originality, so I suspect he bought a brake line kit from Paragon that had the center clip and he simply used it and the two bolts.

I'll have to re-read the new TIM&JG when I get home tonight to see exactly the wording about the center hole and clip.

Gary

[Jim S.]

Re: 2nd design; '66 TIM&JG description

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the new TIM&JG imply that if the latter, outboard bolts are used then the center hole is not there? I know the center clip is not there, but does the TIM&JG imply the hole is not there as well?

Gary Beaupre
Northern California Chapter

Gary and Tim ,

It does indeed ! Page 151 , Quote :Original cars with late build dates have been observed with retaining clips and bolts securing the line on each side. The frame may have 1 center hole for the phosphate clip or 2 outside holes for the retaining clips and bolts , but not both .


Ps to Tim ... I knew it !

[Gary B.]

'66 TIM&JG description; wording

The frame may have 1 center hole for the phosphate clip or 2 outside holes for the retaining clips and bolts , but not both .

Are some readers going to conclude from that statement that the center hole should not be there on late cars?

Gary

[Jim S.]

Re: '66 TIM&JG description; wording

Are some readers going to conclude from that statement that the center hole should not be there on late cars?

Gary

I can't imagine them concluding anything else !

[Gary B.]

Front cross over brake line assistance please

Well that's a little unfortunate. That's one annotation I'll make in the new manual.

Gary

[Tim E.]

Re: Front cross over brake line assistance please

You guys are right, that's probably the conclusion most would reach. If the reader applies the "but not both" part to the use of either the single clip or two clamps and not the number of holes, he's right.

The wording I suggested for the revision in the manual was this:

"On early and mid cars (built prior to approximately s/n 20665), one natural steel loop-like clip retains the line in a single, centrally located hole in the cross member. On later cars, two metal clips with recessed hex head bolts are used to retain the line. Three holes appear in the cross member with the center hole unused. In 1967, the center hole was eliminated.".

[Gary B.]

Proposed language

Tim,

You've stated it very clearly. I'm going to print out your text and paste it over the text in my new TIM&JG. Thanks!

Gary

[Gary B.]

Black phosphate vs. natural steel

Tim,

You describe the center clip as natural steel. The new TIM&JG says black phosphate. Do you have evidence that it is not black phosphate?

Gary

[Tim E.]

Re: Front cross over brake line assistance please

Good point Gary, I did not include the finish of the clip in my research. The 4th edition of the TIMJG states: "A natural steel loop-like clip retains the line...." so that was the language I used. Since the new manual states black phosphate it must be based on someone else's research.

I'll be taking a look, however, while I'm under some known originals! Tim

[Gary B.]

Re: Front cross over brake line assistance please

Tim,

Just when you thought your research was done!

Gary