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  • Randy G.
    Expired
    • April 1, 2006
    • 358

    1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

    I haven't seen too many to be able to tell, but this one looks like it was done in stages. Ones I've seen look like the "F54YG" are all done with the same strike and the serial number is done seperately. Any expert opinions?

  • Chuck G.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • May 31, 1982
    • 2034

    #2
    Re: 1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

    54 pads are whacked 4 times.

    The first five characters are in a gang stamp. Whack #1

    Then, the next two characters are each individually stamped. Whack's # 2 and 3

    Then, the F54YG is done in a gang stamp. Whack #4.

    Looks fine to me.

    Chuck
    1963 Corvette Conv. 327/360 NCRS Top Flight
    2006 Corvette Conv. Velocity Yellow NCRS Top Flight
    1956 Chevy Sedan. 350/4 Speed Hot Rod

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    • Mike M.
      NCRS Past President
      • May 31, 1974
      • 8383

      #3
      Re: 1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

      seems to be lacking the diagonaly arranged broach marks. mike

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      • Randy G.
        Expired
        • April 1, 2006
        • 358

        #4
        Re: 1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

        '54 Stamp pads are not on the deck of the block so I'm curious to know if they should even have any broach marks. I've never seen broach marks on any 6 banger stamp pads I've seen.

        Chuck...The "Y" and "G" after "F54" look like each had seperate strikes and appears to be the same or similar font/style and depth as the last 2 numbers of the serial number after the first 5 numbers. ??

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        • Roy B.
          Expired
          • February 1, 1975
          • 7044

          #5
          Re: 1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

          When it comes to stamp pad on any year you'll receive at least 50 different opinions . But looks good to me

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          • Chuck G.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • May 31, 1982
            • 2034

            #6
            Re: 1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

            Originally posted by Roy Braatz (182)
            When it comes to stamp pad on any year you'll receive at least 50 different opinions . But looks good to me
            Amen to that, Roy. That's why I usually stay OUT of stamp pad threads.

            Chuck
            1963 Corvette Conv. 327/360 NCRS Top Flight
            2006 Corvette Conv. Velocity Yellow NCRS Top Flight
            1956 Chevy Sedan. 350/4 Speed Hot Rod

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            • Russ U.
              Expired
              • April 1, 2004
              • 345

              #7
              Re: 1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

              Randy-

              I have seen a pic of stamp pad where many of the digits looked stamped individually, and the top NCRS guys believed the engine was original to the car. Different than the norm doesn't mean non-original.

              The stamp pad you posted does look a bit different than the norm to me. For the handful of stamp pads that I have seen, where the motor is original to the car, the F54YG were definitely in a gang stamp - perfectly aligned. In addition, the F54YG were uniform in terms of the depth of the strike.

              To my eye, your YG are not aligned, and the YG appear to be a deeper strike than the F54.

              Having said that, the stamp pad looks like the real deal to me. The pad doesn't look like an F54Y engine (I think there was a F54Y block??) where somebody stamped a G at the end to make it a Corvette block.

              Russ

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              • Randy G.
                Expired
                • April 1, 2006
                • 358

                #8
                Re: 1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

                Originally posted by Russ Uzes (41704)
                Randy-

                I have seen a pic of stamp pad where many of the digits looked stamped individually, and the top NCRS guys believed the engine was original to the car. Different than the norm doesn't mean non-original.

                The stamp pad you posted does look a bit different than the norm to me. For the handful of stamp pads that I have seen, where the motor is original to the car, the F54YG were definitely in a gang stamp - perfectly aligned. In addition, the F54YG were uniform in terms of the depth of the strike.

                To my eye, your YG are not aligned, and the YG appear to be a deeper strike than the F54.

                Having said that, the stamp pad looks like the real deal to me. The pad doesn't look like an F54Y engine (I think there was a F54Y block??) where somebody stamped a G at the end to make it a Corvette block.

                Russ
                Hi Russ:

                The Y and G are deeper hits and look like they were done individually and seperately from the F54.

                56 years ago when this block was cast I wonder if anyone ever dreamed we'd get all worked up over a stamping process likely done in a poorly lit shop that took all over 15-20 seconds to do.

                Randy

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                • Russ U.
                  Expired
                  • April 1, 2004
                  • 345

                  #9
                  Re: 1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

                  Originally posted by Randy Goodwin (45471)
                  Hi Russ:

                  The Y and G are deeper hits and look like they were done individually and seperately from the F54.

                  56 years ago when this block was cast I wonder if anyone ever dreamed we'd get all worked up over a stamping process likely done in a poorly lit shop that took all over 15-20 seconds to do.

                  Randy
                  I would be more concerned if the F54Y were aligned and struck evenly, and the G was the only letter stamped individually. I checked - Chevy stamped various passenger cars with F54Y. Thus, a separately stamped G would motivate me to dig deeper. But a separately stamped Y and G works for me.

                  Russ

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                  • Brett H.
                    Expired
                    • January 1, 1996
                    • 367

                    #10
                    Re: 1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

                    The YG characters were used ALOT. They would, by nature, get worn and appear deeper while in fact they are just not as sharp on the face. That pad has not been decked. It looks to be the normal +/- .040 wide. When decked and re-stamped, they get much wider than .050. Milling the deep characters off would easily make this pad too wide to pass judging unless you know how to narrow it back up, which can be done and be undetectable to the untrained eye.

                    I believe the pad in question to be real. My .02.

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                    • Randy G.
                      Expired
                      • April 1, 2006
                      • 358

                      #11
                      Re: 1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

                      Thanks, everyone. I appreciate it.

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                      • Tim E.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • April 1, 1993
                        • 360

                        #12
                        Re: 1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

                        Just my opinion (and probably only worth $.01).... I don't think the Y & G stamps look "typical" for 2 reasons. As previously mentioned, if the F54YG characters were stamped in a gang, I would expect them to be aligned and the same depth. Second, the font of the G character appears slightly different (it is continuously rounded on the left side).

                        I have an F54Y block which was used in trucks and school buses (also casting number 3835911). There are threads in the archives that indicate how popular it is to attempt to add the G to make it into a Corvette block. There is an internal difference in the 2 applications.

                        There is pretty close correlation between the stamped serial number and the VIN of the cars (exceptions, of course). In this example, 0260747 should be an early '54 prior to VIN E54S001231.

                        Possible scenario....To me it looks like the G was added. Realizing the strike was too deep, the Y was overstruck to more closely resemble the force of the strike used for the G.

                        See these photos I've collected. Tim
                        Attached Files

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                        • Benjamin C.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • July 31, 1994
                          • 134

                          #13
                          Re: 1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

                          Randy, Your pad looks exactly like my 54 stamp. My stamp has the lighter and deeper misaligned charaters. The unusual style of the 6 is like mine also. The judging manual mentions broach marks,I have very,very small marks.You can just see them under magnification. I have a complete history on my car,even speaking to the previous owners. My motor was never out of the car. What I'm saying is that mine is 100% original and yours looks just like mine.I can e-mail some pictures if you want.

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                          • Randy G.
                            Expired
                            • April 1, 2006
                            • 358

                            #14
                            Re: 1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

                            Originally posted by Benjamin Cantele (24868)
                            Randy, Your pad looks exactly like my 54 stamp. My stamp has the lighter and deeper misaligned charaters. The unusual style of the 6 is like mine also. The judging manual mentions broach marks,I have very,very small marks.You can just see them under magnification. I have a complete history on my car,even speaking to the previous owners. My motor was never out of the car. What I'm saying is that mine is 100% original and yours looks just like mine.I can e-mail some pictures if you want.
                            I would really like to see your pad. You can email me at

                            goodwinjrandy@cs.com.

                            Thanks again!

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                            • Benjamin C.
                              Very Frequent User
                              • July 31, 1994
                              • 134

                              #15
                              Re: 1954 stamp pad. Opinions?

                              I have to change my post from yesterday. My F54YG stamp is very much on the same plane. All the charaters line up. The first set of charaters is very similar to mine.

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