Re: 67 L89 aluminium heads
Thanks Joe
Thanks Joe
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Re: 67 L89 aluminium heads
This about says it all for this car:
By the numbers this is a L89 1967 Corvette.
No tank sticker, no original invoice, no documentation.Comment
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Re: 67 L89 aluminium heads
Robert -- (wonder how high it will bid
). I'm attaching a copy of the Denver Zone office newsletter received from Central Office (?) and passed on to their dealers. I assume all other zones would have done the same after receiving the revised price schedule.
Like your eBay example, (and essentially same applies to the entire thread above), seems to me that the dealers couldn't order RPO L89 (engine order code 30-8) prior to March 17th. The Chevrolet Mailgram does the same thing for the heads themselves (ie. now available for ordering as a service item from GMPD).
For my money, I wouldn't even consider any purported L89 with a VIN less than 16000 range (say, first week of April).
P.S. Notice the option price $805.75 (the sum of L71 $437.10 plus the added heads $368.65). Are there any known examples of original window/build stickers ? and what format is shown (ie. two lines) ?
Sorry about the super large pic size.
Last edited by Wayne M.; March 6, 2010, 03:16 PM.Comment
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The owner states "But what is most important are the correct casting numbers and dates." I'd say the pad stamping is very important too and it does say it is a restamp. It's a pretty poor one. You would think with such a valuable car there would be a photo of the engine pad before it was decked. If it's a real one, that little error could have cost the owner about 300k.Comment
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As has been brought out by others in this thread, clear unrefutable factory documentation and well a established owner history (provenance par excellence) are a must, for rare high dollar Corvettes, which can be considered to have true blue-chip investment value. With anything less, the car is simply a driver, with varying options and condition, to be enjoyed by the owner and appreciated by others. IMHO
MarkComment
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Robert------
In this case, I doubt that the failure to photograph the deck before surfacing cost the owner anything. In fact, I strongly suspect that the VERY LAST thing this owner would want anyone to see is a photo of the pad of this engine prior to surfacing.In Appreciation of John HinckleyComment
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The other side of the story is that there are almost perfect re-stamps out there that will get the owner and rare, high dollar cars, a Top-Flight award and higher. I have seen a few of these which, after judging, asking the owner, "Who did your re-stamp?", and they told us.Comment
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I agree Joe, and wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole, though it still is a nice looking car. I generally consider a restamp to be an attempt to deceive, although I've read posts in another forum where the owner wanted to do it 'for his own personal satisfaction' or some nonsense like that.Comment
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Yep. I judged an 69 L88 and an even rarer 69 Corvette at Cypress Gardens many years ago. Both pads looked great, and got full credit.
The owner of the L88 car told me, after judging was complete, that the original engine for his car was in a race boat, and the boat owner was not interested in selling.Comment
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As long as the block casting number and date are correct and all the other components are correctly numbered and dated for the application indicated by the broadcast code on the stamp pad and the stamping looks typical of factory production, there should be no problem, from a judging perspective. We are judging restoration to typical factory production appearance not authenticating originality to the specific car.
Obviously, there is a problem of misrepresentation, in a sales transaction, if the car is being presented as having the original engine, when in fact it is a re-stamped engine.
MarkComment
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Mark-------
In my opinion, this is where the whole problem lies. There's nothing wrong with a "replica" car and, in my mind, there's absolutely nothing wrong if that "replica" is so well done that passes NCRS or NCCB judging as if it were original.
There is something wrong with representing something as original when it's not and extracting a price premium on that basis, though.In Appreciation of John HinckleyComment
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Joe:
That's why I believe a potential buyer of a high dollar Corvette should recognize the point and limitation of NCRS and Bloomington Gold judging and not foolishly think it is an authentication of the originality of the car. As in all transactions, "buyer beware" and do due diligence is essential in authenticating the Corvette is as its being presented and you are getting what you are paying for.
MarkComment
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I am the owner of the "Reggie Jackson" L89 that Bob came and looked at and can comment about a few things relative to the discussion.
Reggie sold me the car basically at the price of a nicely restored 427/435. He said himself if he had documentation, it would be a $300K car, but he was not going to forge docs as we know some try. Some paperwork on the car was apparently burned up in the fire he had some years back along with a number of L88 cars - but I doubt the car had complete documentation. The car was restored before he bought it some 20 years ago, so I don't think he knows the complete history himself.
As Bob mentioned, there is a date problem with the trim tag. After a lot of discussion both with Reggies people and looking at the numbers, my best conclusion is that the drive train on the car is legitimate L89 because all of the numbers seem to match - but I suspect it was moved from another car, possibly wrecked, into this car. For anyone interested, the serial number is [FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']194677S121453 and the engine build code is [FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']TO605IU. [/font][/font]
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif'][FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']As for the Reggie collection, he still has 50 or more cars at the warehouse where I looked at my car. It is an incredible collection, probably over half C1s and C2s. Reggie spent probably 5 hours showing me around and telling me the story of every car - it was very interesting and would have been worth a lot of money for the ticket. He is downsizing, primarily because he has more cars than he can keep up with and he likes driving them - but he does not seem to have a whole lot more that he is trying to sell at this time.[/font][/font]
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif'][FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']If anyone is interested in looking at this car for clues to either it's originality or the drive train originality, it is located in Dallas , Texas.[/font][/font]Comment
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