NCRS Picture section

[Alan W.]

So why do we not have a picture section of high point cars. Even the new judging manual for the 56-57 stuff is mostly written. A picture is worth a thousand words. Section per year...vin...options...etc...

Thank you
Alan

I learn, I learn, I learn

[Gary C.]

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Alan, much has been written and discussed on the TDB about a photo section. Main thing is the volunteer manpower and skills to ensure the posted photos are authentic. It took a team of ten almost two years to agree on the photos in the 5th edition 56-7 JM that you reference. Volunteers are always welcomed. Gary....

[Alan W.]

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Gary I admire all who work (live) to make sure the NCRS stays correct and pure. I am new but am Volunteering at ever function of my local chapter.

As for miss information and incorrect photos I believe and have read on this board the members are the best at sorting it out.

I will help anyway you need me too.

Post only picture of Judged cars that are 98 percent or better. The members can then post updates and polite corrections.

Can we do a test run of a car and see if this is a help for all or am I all wet.

No single rain drop thinks its the cause of the flood.

Thank you all for the vast amount of correct information and kind words of encouragement!!!!!

Alan

[Terry M.]

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No single rain drop thinks its the cause of the flood.
Alan

Alan -- that is sort of a neat image. Thanks for raising it.

I would suggest that if a photo gallery is considered it be of unrestored cars. One would still have the burden of identifying "inconsistencies" or owner inspired changes, but they might be fewer in number than if restored cars were used -- and I don't care how many points they score or where and when they were judged. Remember a 98 point car twenty years ago might not get top flight now -- even assuming no changes or deterioration between then and now.

When we were assembling the 1970-72 TIM&JG in 1993 we avoided photographs and used drawings instead so that we could restrict the features shown to the subject we wished to illustrate. ANY group of Corvette pictures, will have some inaccuracy. I don't envy the Team Leaders who will hear: "But the picture on the NCRS site showed it that way!" or "I am sure the color is right. I had my painter match it off of my computer monitor."

[Kenneth H.]

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Terry,

What you're saying makes a lot of sense. If we can get photos of unrestored, correct cars it would be an invaluable resource for the members. Maybe we could have a caveat that the pictures are only posted for configuration purposes, and not for color or finish since computer monitors and printers are notorious for getting colors wrong.

Maybe we can start with one or two years, post some pictures for approval, announce the posting with a link on the TDB and have experts review and comment on the pictures in the posting. After a review period, if there are no major objections to the pictures they are accepted and go to a permanent picture location for members to review anytime they want.

If I can help, I'd be more than happy to, but only for organization or the mundane tasks to get the project rolling and keep it going, since I'm a novice, at best, when it comes to knowing what is correct and original on any 'vette.

Just my two cents.

Thanks.

[Patrick H.]

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I know that both Kevin Goodman and I have about 300 pictures each of our Bowtie cars. My pics are always available via the link in my signature below.

Of note, the pics were taken any time between October of 2002 when I purchased the car and last week. Some of the incorrect items (items replaced during the car's earlier life) were replaced before I had it judged in 2003 and the pictures do not necessarily make a notation about that.

Patrick

[Tom B.]

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This sounds like a project whose time has come. I agree that unrestored correct cars would be the best to document.

[Gary C.]

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NCRS is accepting computer literate volunteers. Any out there who have a couple of hours a day available time? Gary....

[Roy B.]

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Terry,

What you're saying makes a lot of sense. If we can get photos of unrestored, correct cars it would be an invaluable resource for the members. Maybe we could have a caveat that the pictures are only posted for configuration purposes, and not for color or finish since computer monitors and printers are notorious for getting colors wrong.

Maybe we can start with one or two years, post some pictures for approval, announce the posting with a link on the TDB and have experts review and comment on the pictures in the posting. After a review period, if there are no major objections to the pictures they are accepted and go to a permanent picture location for members to review anytime they want.

If I can help, I'd be more than happy to, but only for organization or the mundane tasks to get the project rolling and keep it going, since I'm a novice, at best, when it comes to knowing what is correct and original on any 'vette.

Just my two cents.

Thanks.

I've done that with 55 parts but few people will give input not wonting to be wrong or put down. It's a great idea but I don't see it ever happening in a general way using this forum . I would like to see a team captain sending out a pic to their members to get a consensus on a part that he thinks is original and correct and then adding it into the JM. I appreciate what NCRS has given us as a guide line and then do what I think is correct.

[Patrick H.]

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NCRS is accepting computer literature volunteers. Any out there who have a couple of hours a day available time? Gary....

computer literate volunteers, perhaps?

[Kevin G.]

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I know that both Kevin Goodman and I have about 300 pictures each of our Bowtie cars. My pics are always available via the link in my signature below.

Of note, the pics were taken any time between October of 2002 when I purchased the car and last week. Some of the incorrect items (items replaced during the car's earlier life) were replaced before I had it judged in 2003 and the pictures do not necessarily make a notation about that.

Patrick

It's all your fault! I took one look at your Web shots and that was that. I felt it was a great idea to help anyone interested. Mainly I tried to take shots of parts or objects that were "not perfect" or unusual from the factory. There are many more pictures I still want to add to the album, just haven't had the car out of it's hibernation.
As Patrick states above my pictures, are available in my signature too!

[Dennis C.]

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NCRS is accepting computer literate volunteers. Any out there who have a couple of hours a day available time? Gary....

Gary,

I don't think I could promise a couple of hours a day, but I could handle a couple of hours a week if it helps.

Dennis

[Patrick H.]

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It's all your fault! I took one look at your Web shots and that was that. I felt it was a great idea to help anyone interested. Mainly I tried to take shots of parts or objects that were "not perfect" or unusual from the factory. There are many more pictures I still want to add to the album, just haven't had the car out of it's hibernation.
As Patrick states above my pictures, are available in my signature too!

I'll take the blame.



As you said there are many more I'd like to / need to add but have not yet done so.

[Rob M.]

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I don't envy the Team Leaders who will hear: "But the picture on the NCRS site showed it that way!" or "I am sure the color is right. I had my painter match it off of my computer monitor."

Terry,

I think the TL's are already hitting this problem regulary with people referring to discussion currently (and in the past) going on on this TDB (or by referring to Restorer articles) and, to my believe, an additional photo library wouldn't add much to this.

What I would envision is a seperate forum section with sub forums for Bowtie Cars, 98+ FJ cars and individual Parts. One subject per thread (with one or more photo's) discussed per thread. The maintenance should be doable since all members can elaborate on these threads.

Also this library will become an valuable source for future TL's and others to document our beloved cars in the judging manuals and help our members restoring their cars even better (and that is what we are all about).

Personally I think a photo library with comments by the best in the world would be a great addition to our great organisation (which is unpresidented in the world)!!!

regards,
Rob.

[Ridge K.]

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Alan, I likewise love the "rain drop" line. I hope you don't mind me using that with my friends.

Much like the "parts for sale" section idea, I have seen this photo idea batted around for the last few years. It usually gets quite a few positive comments, and seems to fade off after a few days discussion. I am not criticizing this occurrence, only wishing to bring into the discussion my doubts as to it materializing.
Terry McManmon's fourth comment down from the top of the tread brings up one of the most significant points. It always appears that members seem to direct this towards unrestored cars. The reality is that very, very few vintage Corvettes exist in a true "virgin" state, although some in the club, consider unrestored cars as the holy grail of the hobby.
A few of the fellow members know that I formerly sold original, NOS, and original restored vintage Corvette parts on a veyr popular internet auction site from around 2002 until late in 2008. I closed this business out with about $250K in parts sales.
During this parts venture, I can assure you I sold several original parts that were reinstalled on "unrestored" cars. This issue has been discussed on the TDB before (I.E. how many worn parts can be changed out on an unrestored car, and it still be considered a "survive....", well,....you know what copyrighted term I am meaning......?).

I'm only saying that Terry's comment is right on the mark. The technical issues concerning which part or car photo is considered "most correct" would be astronomical. I really don't see how the club would ever get a consensus. In short, it's a great idea, that I will be shocked it it ever gets any traction beyod this friendly discussion stage.

I hope I'm wrong, and it can be pulled off. We'll see.......

Ridge.