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  • David H.
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    • November 11, 2009
    • 777

    #46
    Re: Interesting find

    Well, I think today I solved the mystery of the IVORY paint issue. I went looking for more job numbers on the car where people had suggested they found theirs. On the passengers side by the feet I found nothing, and worked my way back onto the floor. Nothing there. Tried the drivers side also and found nothing there. I then went to the drivers side bulkhead and found no numbers, but did happen to notice that the verticle bulkhead on the passengers side had a rather straight seam in it where as the drivers side did not. See first picture. Investigating further I discovered that by looking at the back of the panel on the passengers side, the top edge looked like it had white paint on it. It did! See picture two. Now, looking down into the gas tank hole, I saw what looked like a major repair running front to back in the bottom. See picture three. I then went below to look up at it and discovered a major repair line that looked to run from the half way to the back of the fender up to this verticle panel on the bulkhead. See picture four. Yikes! I followed it forward and sure enough in the floor of the passengers side up to the heater box hole and over to the middle of the front fender shows a repair as well! I have more pictures I will post later but it appears that when the pallet of glass fell on the car it wiped out most of the right side of the car! If that is the case then the panel that has the IVORY written on it is a replacement panel that was painted Red, thus explaining the IVORY written on it. And with the white paint on the top edge of it, that would make sense. I expect if I took the red paint off I would find the original white under the red. If you get the light just right you can see the seam on top of the fenders in both cases. And looking at the edge of the front fender that is under the hood, you can see the seam there as well.
    So, I will be calling my sister in law asking for any pictures that my brother might have taken of the damage to the car for the insurance company. Unfortunately she is in the middle of moving out of one house and into another so finding those pictures may take a while.
    I really appreciate all the feed back that was given on this. It had me befuddled for sure. But now it makes sense at to the color the car was originally. Roman Red!
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    • Chuck L.
      Very Frequent User
      • July 31, 1996
      • 260

      #47
      Re: Interesting find

      I find it interesting because the writer did it 48 or more years ago! How does that material last that long and my icemaker lasted one year! But, then again I can't get my mind off '61/62's. They are truly unique.
      Chuck Lyman
      Kansas City Chapter

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      • Rick G.
        Very Frequent User
        • March 1, 1983
        • 273

        #48
        Re: Interesting find

        David,

        Many years ago good friends Noland Adams and Don Mullenhoff were in my garage visiting and the conversation centered around the original color of my 1959, classic cream. The car is not restored and has a cheap (bumpers and all chrome poorly masked off) Earl Schieb type of paint job where you can easily detect the original color. I opened the trunk and Noland scraped the passenger compartment divider and there it was in large green letters "Yell".

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        • John M.
          Very Frequent User
          • November 1, 1988
          • 170

          #49
          Re: Interesting find

          David

          Like I said: ................. All Corvettes Are Red

          This has been a fun and interesting journey. Thanks for sharing along the way as you donned your Sherlock Holmes hat, grabbed a magnifying glass, and put up with us Watsons in search of an answer. I am glad you solved your mystery. But at the same time I am a little disappointed, because as well as a mystery I also enjoy the unusual, unexpected, and nonconforming ---- and a great conversation piece from the assembly line just disappeared.

          Save the Wave --------

          JG Mattson

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          • David H.
            Expired
            • November 11, 2009
            • 777

            #50
            Re: Interesting find

            I too am a bit dissappointed. I thought we had a real anomaly here. Although when I found the incorrect door number it started me thinking in a different direction. I called my sister in law last night to see what she could remember about the accident and all she said was "When Peter found out about it he just went in his office and closed the door and didn't come out for a very long time"! She is going to look for pictures of the car after it happened. She gave me the phone number to a man we both know that was there when it happened. He wants to tell me the story about it. I had no idea that there was that much damage to the car.
            I'm sorry to have prolonged this so far. As I have said many times, "the best answer to any question is a good education". I certainly got a good education on this one.
            Now I have doubts about trying to lift the body off the car. I'm afraid the right side wont hold up to the strain. I'll have to think about that one some more.
            I really appreciate all the input that was given on this issue even tho it turned into a "wild goose chase"! I hope it wont put me on the "black list" anywhere. As you can see, I'm gonna need a lot of help with this project!
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            • David H.
              Expired
              • November 11, 2009
              • 777

              #51
              Re: Interesting find

              I spoke to an eye witness to the pallet of glass accident at my brother's warehouse and he assures me that the only damage to the car was a bent hub cap, a scratched bumper and some slight damage to the right front fender near the front of the car. Nothing as major as I have descibed. The mystery continues as I go searching for other previous owners to grill. I sent a letter to the FL DOMV with a check and they have cashed my check, so maybe I will get something from them on the car. It appears that someone was in a TBone accident with it and most of the right side of the car was replaced. Time may tell.

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              • Joe M.
                Very Frequent User
                • February 1, 2005
                • 589

                #52
                Re: Interesting find

                How does the frame look on that side?

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                • Jerry W.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • January 27, 2009
                  • 588

                  #53
                  Re: Interesting find

                  David....Your latest post is a "Good thing.....Bad thing"....John Mattson gets his wish ....The mystery does indeed continue...A new post might be in order as you unwind this mystery...This one is getting long......Good luck with the DMV...Maybe the body off will tell you more.

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                  • Joe M.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • February 1, 2005
                    • 589

                    #54
                    Re: Interesting find

                    David,

                    Check the serial number stamped on your frame.

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                    • John M.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • November 1, 1988
                      • 170

                      #55
                      Re: Interesting find

                      Originally posted by Jerry Weeks (49925)
                      David....Your latest post is a "Good thing.....Bad thing"....John Mattson gets his wish ....The mystery does indeed continue.
                      Well now I don't really think this is my wish . I would rather David hadn't found this extensive damage repair on his car, or any repairs at all, and we could still look to the assembly line for an answer . But now that he has uncovered all these repairs I think we can rule out that interesting and unusual story from the assembly line. Seems the questions now become; what happened, where, when, why, who was driving, and what other car was involved? I think David's assessment as a T-Bone or something similar will be pretty much right on.

                      Save the Wave ...........

                      JG Mattson
                      Last edited by John M.; March 11, 2010, 01:55 AM.

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                      • Steven B.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • June 30, 1982
                        • 3985

                        #56
                        Re: Interesting find

                        Originally posted by John Mattson (13840)
                        Well now I don't really think this is my wish . I would rather David hadn't found this extensive damage repair on his car, or any repairs at all, and we could still look to the assembly line for an answer . But now that he has uncovered all these repairs I think we can rule out that interesting and unusual story from the assembly line. Seems the questions now become; what happened, where, when, why, who was driving, and what other car was involved? I think David's assement as a T-Bone or something similar will be pretty much right on.

                        Save the Wave ...........

                        JG Mattson


                        There is always the donor car history----

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                        • John M.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • November 1, 1988
                          • 170

                          #57
                          Re: Interesting find

                          David,

                          Joe has a good thought to check the frame VIN. This could tell you if the frame has been replaced. In case you don't know where to find this number, it is located on the top of the driver's side frame rail along the outside edge, in the area at the front of the driver's seat. If you remove the plastic cap-plug in the floor pan you will look down on the top of the frame rail and if lucky might be able to see the number or a part of it. There is only about 3/8" between the top of the frame and bottom of fiberglass floor but if you use a thin mirror and good flashlight you can find it if still readable. I managed to take a picture of mine with the body mounted. Since you are removing the body you will be able to get a good look at it. The number you should find will be S102550. Take pictures then, it's easier .

                          Save the Wave .............

                          JG Mattson

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                          • John M.
                            Very Frequent User
                            • November 1, 1988
                            • 170

                            #58
                            Re: Interesting find

                            Originally posted by Steven Brohard (5759)
                            There is always the donor car history----
                            Steve,

                            Expand on that a bit. What is a donor car history and how would you go about tracking it down???

                            Save the Wave ........

                            JG Mattson

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                            • Steven B.
                              Extremely Frequent Poster
                              • June 30, 1982
                              • 3985

                              #59
                              Re: Interesting find

                              Originally posted by John Mattson (13840)
                              Steve,

                              Expand on that a bit. What is a donor car history and how would you go about tracking it down???

                              Save the Wave ........

                              JG Mattson
                              Hi John! Assuming the door came from another Corvette, since it has a different number inside it, the car it came from, the donor, may have been parted out, repaired, customized, etc. I doubt if any info. on such a car can be easily tracked and likely no longerin existance, but it might be an interesting mystery.

                              I have been looking for info. on a couple of Corvettes I saw in a body shop decades ago and to date have no info., but it is fun.

                              Steve

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                              • Bill M.
                                Extremely Frequent Poster
                                • April 1, 1977
                                • 1386

                                #60
                                Re: Interesting find

                                Originally posted by John Mattson (13840)
                                David

                                Jerry hit the nail square on the head for the "perfect world" J/B number for your car as 50.

                                I also ran the numbers for you and like Jerry found that VIN sequence 2550 is in the 5th cycle of 1-500 J/B numbers and should be J/B number 50 in that "perfect world". However it is not, it is J/B number 59. So now the mystery, WHY? Why the 9 added numbers from that "perfect world"? Were some J/B numbers accidentally skipped along the way on the assembly line? Really, I guess it wouldn't matter too much what J/B number a car got as long as consecutive cars didn't receive the same one.

                                The Job/Broadcast number 374 written in green crayon on the passenger door, as per your picture, I would say definitely means that this is a replacement door, not the original for the car. How about paint? Did you find any different color paint under the red on this door? If not, it could have come from a Roman Red car also. Was this door replaced before or after Woody painted the car? What about the date codes on the door glass, driver & passenger, do they match or are they different? If they are the same the original glass could have been used in the replacement door. I'm guessing your key works in both doors.

                                I'm not surprised that you didn't find a J/B number on the driver door. The doors came from the sub-assembly station by matched pairs, driver (left) and passenger (right). What information I do have about the J/B number in this location kinda supports that the J/B number was only written on one of the doors, that one being the passenger (right) side. What you found on your car also supports this with no J/B number on the driver door and a J/B number, although wrong, on the passenger door. Information on this area is hard to come by because owners don't want to remove the door trim panels for a look just for this reason, and I don't blame them or ask them to do so. I have never removed the door panels on my own '62 just to check this out either.

                                Save the Wave ...........

                                JG Mattson
                                My '59 VIN 2528 has 24 in green crayon on the passenger (only) door. Thanks for this insight.

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