Judging a C2 spare wheel
I have a 66 coupe with 4 factory Knock offs but the spare is missing. My question is, having my car judged, what kind of deduction would I get if I use a Correct steel wheel as a spare since the car should have 5 Knock offs? Or would I be better off using a reproduction knock off? What kind of point deductions am I looking at in either case? I do not want to spend the kind of $ it takes to buy an original at this time.
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Re: Judging a C2 spare wheel
Dave since no one else has chimed in I'll take a crack at it.
The spare tire is judged separately. But the JM says that optional wheels are delivered as a set of five.
So if it was my car I would use a steal over a repo aluminum wheel I think most judges would let a correct steel wheel slide. But they are for sure going to deduct for a repo aluminum wheel. I think at most you may lose a couple of points if you had a correct steel wheel, weights valve stem & cap.
Hopefully a master judge will chime in.
BillBill Lacy
1967 427/435 National Top Flight Bloomington Gold
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Re: Judging a C2 spare wheel
The spare tire is allowed to differ from the four mounted tires (preserve factory original spares), but there's no equivalent set-aside for the wheel. Judges will have to determine WHICH wheel is original to the car (KO or steel bolt-on) and take a deduction for those that are incorrect.
With a steel wheel in the spare tub, some would 'hip shoot' for the four mounted KO's being non-original! But, that's a position you can work through if the 'cross over' components (jacking instruction label, lead hammer with jack) support the car's optional KO wheel configuration.
If you decide to purchase a single reproduction KO for your spare and have correct original KH KO's as your four mounted wheels, you need to watch the judges closely. Some will LEAP to the conclusion that all five wheels are reproduction based on what they see when inspecting the spare.
Ask me how I know this... One of the five KO's on my '65 met a nasty fate kissing a tree umpteen years ago. The four mounted wheels are original KH KO's with the spare being a repro. I OFTEN had to politely request the exterior judges to re-look at the four mounted wheels after they'd taken reproduction deductions for all five...
On which way to go (correct steel wheel vs. repro KO) for the spare, it's not much of an issue these days. Original steel wheels from the era have moved up in price SMARTLY, so it's not much of an economic hardship to go buy that single repro KO for your spare tire tub.Comment
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Re: Judging a C2 spare wheel
Or, from another perspective, the expected spare wheel (aluminum KO) is missing if the spare wheel is steel.Comment
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I do have supporting documentation that my car came with these K.O. wheels. So it sounds like I would have less of a deduction with a repro K.O. than a correct steel wheel. Thanks GentelmenComment
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Wow! That's a hard interpretation to swallow...
Yes, the matching KO spare wheel is missing, but there WOULD be a spare wheel present, albeit stamped steel. I'd be hard pressed to support a judge making that call at one of my meets...
I'd be prone to the position what's there IS a GM service replacement part and put the matrix scoring policy to work.
The FINISH is incorrect (not cast alloy with accent paint), the DATE is most likely incorrect, the CONFIGURATION is incorrect (not the same geometry and material), the steel wheel is not COMPLETE (lacks the inner center cone), but it's INSTALLATION is correct (simply laid into the tire tub--would NOT be correct if it was mounted as it'd be missing the adaptor and spinner). So, I could swallow a deduction of +80% for a steel wheel as a spare on an KO equipped car...Comment
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Re: Judging a C2 spare wheel
Jack, you would think there may be a 80% deduction for a steel wheel.
What do you think would be the deduction for a repro K.O. ?
Sorry I am a little confused.
Thank you in advance for your help.Comment
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Re: Judging a C2 spare wheel
This has been interesting banter and in fact the deduction for all practical purposes is the same no matter what you do. Here is my take on this issue. First there a 30 points assigned to wheels for originality, were talking about 1 of the 5 that’s 6 points in originality. So with six points assigned to the wheel Jack Humphreys scenario for the steel wheel is almost dead nuts on an 80% deduct would be 4.8 points, the scenario out of the TIM&JG says 90% deduct repro k-o wheel with incorrect finish that is 5.4 points. All deductions rounds to 5 points and allows condition because the wheel scores at least 10% originality. But in the TIM&JG it plainly states a reproduction k-o wheel with the correct finish is only a 75% deduct that is 4.5 points, technically that would round to 5 also but a judge might let is slide at 4. So which is best a reproduction refinished to appear to be the correct color. The k-o out of the box is the heaviest deduction, the steel wheel is a little better but not much and a reproduction k-o with some time and energy expended to make it look correct is the best. Does it make any difference on the judging field? Very little possibly one point.
Last edited by Roy S.; February 4, 2010, 03:07 PM.Comment
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Re: Judging a C2 spare wheel
Perfect
Thank youComment
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Re: Judging a C2 spare wheel
Thanks Roy and Dave, that makes sense to treat it as a GM service replacement part. I always learn from the guys on this board.
BillBill Lacy
1967 427/435 National Top Flight Bloomington Gold
1998 Indy PacecarComment
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