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  • Chuck S.
    Expired
    • April 1, 1992
    • 4668

    #16
    Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

    Originally posted by Gene Manno (8571)
    WE AS AMERICANS HAVE THE OPTION TO NOT PURCHASE ANYTHING made in china...
    Of course we have that option...if any American goods are offered.

    Unfortunately, the people of developed nations have worked themselves into a bit of a pickle by continually demanding a better lifestyle. The demand exists for the goods in the developed countries, but manufacturing costs in developed countries have skyrocketed to provide the worker's lifestyle. Manufacturers have turned from manufacturing them here to manufacturing them there, often with initial compromises in quality and work skills. But, the developing countries have progressed quickly with China being the poster child of incredibly fast industrialization. Now that the box is open, we won't be going back without government intervention.

    The only way to prevent loss of manufacturing jobs from happening in a developed, free society is trade barriers in the form of tariffs or punitive restrictions on imports. We've been there; isolationism leads to trade wars, and then to real wars. I was surprised to learn this week that China has just now overtaken little Germany (geographically small; industrially mighty) as the world's greatest exporter; I would have thought we bought four times as much from China as Germany, but not so.

    But, they say every man has his price: Let's say you want to buy a certain tool reel bad...maybe it's a bead blast cabinet or maybe a small vertical milling machine. How much premium are you willing to pay to buy American, assuming import quality is acceptable for your purposes? We're not talking about a 20% premium here, although us real nickel pinchers will be eyeballing that level...It's more like 100%, 200%. Eventually, you have to make the decision to buy foreign, or just forego the purchase because you can't afford to buy American...it will keep keep gnawing at you.
    Last edited by Chuck S.; January 11, 2010, 11:33 AM.

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    • Henry S.
      Expired
      • April 30, 2005
      • 816

      #17
      Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

      Originally posted by Chuck Sangerhausen (20817)
      Of course we have that option...if any American goods are offered.

      Unfortunately, the people of developed nations have worked themselves into a bit of a pickle by continually demanding a better lifestyle. The demand exists for the goods in the developed countries, but manufacturing costs in developed countries have skyrocketed to provide the worker's lifestyle. Manufacturers have turned from manufacturing them here to manufacturing them there, often with initial compromises in quality and work skills. But, the developing countries have progressed quickly with China being the poster child of incredibly fast industrialization. Now that the box is open, we won't be going back without government intervention.

      The only way to prevent loss of manufacturing jobs from happening in a developed, free society is trade barriers in the form of tariffs or punitive restrictions on imports. We've been there; isolationism leads to trade wars, and then to real wars. I was surprised to learn this week that China has just now overtaken little Germany as the world's greatest exporter; I would have thought we bought four times as much from China as Germany, but not so.

      But, they say every man has his price: Let's say you want to buy a certain tool reel bad...maybe it's a bead blast cabinet or maybe a small vertical milling machine. How much premium are you willing to pay to buy American, assuming import quality is acceptable for your purposes? We're not talking about a 20% premium here, although us real nickel pinchers will be eyeballing that level...It's more like 100%, 200%. Eventually, you have to make the decision to buy foreign, or just forego the purchase because you can't afford to buy American...it will keep keep gnawing at you.
      Lot of good points Chuck, you are right on. We are almost all guilty of doing what you point out. Why??? Because it's the easiest. I am certainly glad our past generations didn't do what was easiest but rather what was right.

      I try to do a google when we buy anything but like most it is just so DAMN EASY to hop down to whatever store is the closest and pick it up. We have after all become this "NEED IT NOW GENERATION"!! If we had thought all those years ago by doing what was easy we were actually helping create this monster that has help shutdown our factories/manufacturering jobs and sold out many of our future generations way of life. Google any term: "Americanmade", "Made in America", "U.S. Products" and find a list of things America made:

      MadeinUSAForever Shop 100% Made in USA products. Online store for American Made men's women's kids' clothing, Texas jeans, shoes, gloves, hats, belts, bags, patriotic gifts, flags, tools, kitchen item, 360 cookware, water bottle, homeware, beddings, 1888 mills towel, food, American tuna, toy, pet food, health products.


      American-made consumer products for home and family, available online


      How Americans Can Buy American is an invaluable guide to help patriotic consumers buy products made in American factories by American workers & keep profits and jobs in the USA






      With all the bitching and moaning about not being able to Buy American, how many of us REALLY WORK at doing it?????

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      • Michael W.
        Expired
        • April 1, 1997
        • 4290

        #18
        Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

        So, to bring this back on topic- how about a group purchase of car covers?

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        • Mike G.
          Expired
          • July 31, 2002
          • 709

          #19
          Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

          and they make about $1.00 per hour. seems like a great idea on paper. you get the labor for next to nothing there and its your biggest cost here. seems like a good idea to bost profits way up. now after about 10 years of this and almost everything built there, here we are. 10 million people without jobs and no one here to buy our products and by the time inflation catches up they will cost twice as much.

          the only to fix it is to bring it all back here. put a 50% tax on everything made outside the us and everything will soon be made here again. the tax money the govt gets for the first few years will pay off our creditors and the 10 million people will get their jobs back.

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          • Chuck S.
            Expired
            • April 1, 1992
            • 4668

            #20
            Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

            Originally posted by Mike Greene (38310)
            and they make about $1.00 per hour. seems like a great idea on paper. you get the labor for next to nothing there and its your biggest cost here. seems like a good idea to bost profits way up. now after about 10 years of this and almost everything built there, here we are. 10 million people without jobs and no one here to buy our products and by the time inflation catches up they will cost twice as much.

            the only to fix it is to bring it all back here. put a 50% tax on everything made outside the us and everything will soon be made here again. the tax money the govt gets for the first few years will pay off our creditors and the 10 million people will get their jobs back.
            But, Mike...believe it or don't, the Chinese love Buicks. (They also love American tobacco products, but that is another issue.)

            The General is in on the ground floor of an incredible Chinese automotive market potential of billions; the Chinese market just this year surpassed that of the US...they're not riding bicycles anymore. What do you plan to do as President when your 50% tax on Chinese toys and gee gaws results in the General being thrown out of China, and their Chinese factories being nationalized?...Hmmmm? If I was a GM stockholder, I would be mad as hell at you for your brash and short-sighted response.

            There are no simple answers to this dilemma in which we find our ourselves.

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            • Patrick T.
              Expired
              • September 30, 1999
              • 1286

              #21
              Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

              Here are some rather entertaining photo's of the third world workforce.







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              • Clem Z.
                Expired
                • January 1, 2006
                • 9427

                #22
                Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

                Originally posted by Patrick Tighe (33001)
                Here are some rather entertaining photo's of the third world workforce.







                looks to be pretty ingenious to me.

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                • Chuck S.
                  Expired
                  • April 1, 1992
                  • 4668

                  #23
                  Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

                  Originally posted by Clem Zahrobsky (45134)
                  looks to be pretty ingenious to me.
                  In the places where I worked, that guy out on the end of that board better not still be out there grinding when the lunch whistle blew.

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                  • Mike G.
                    Expired
                    • July 31, 2002
                    • 709

                    #24
                    Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

                    [quote=. What do you plan to do as President when your 50% tax on Chinese toys and gee gaws results in the General being thrown out of China, and their Chinese factories being nationalized?...Hmmmm? If I was a GM stockholder, I would be mad as hell at you for your brash and short-sighted response.
                    .[/quote]
                    are they more than half the car market because they are buying more or we are buying less? remember no one here is buying anything. no one cares about quality anymore its all about price now days. everyone is pinching pennys. we have our selves in a bad situation. until the manufacturing jobs come back to this country it will only get worse. i try to buy products made in the usa even if they cost more but they are getting real hard to find. i have a new tahoe, an 05 3500 and a 02 avalanche that i drive every day. how much of that is made in the usa?

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                    • Chuck S.
                      Expired
                      • April 1, 1992
                      • 4668

                      #25
                      Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

                      Originally posted by Mike Greene (38310)
                      are they more than half the car market because they are buying more or we are buying less? remember no one here is buying anything. no one cares about quality anymore its all about price now days. everyone is pinching pennys. we have our selves in a bad situation. until the manufacturing jobs come back to this country it will only get worse. i try to buy products made in the usa even if they cost more but they are getting real hard to find. i have a new tahoe, an 05 3500 and a 02 avalanche that i drive every day. how much of that is made in the usa?
                      What I meant was the Chinese automotive market became equal in volume to the US market this year. I tried to find that story again to cite the reference, but my satellite service *****.

                      The relative size of the two markets is largely unrelated to the recession we are experiencing, or the fact that Chinese are now building Buicks to meet their internal needs in China. People have cut back here on everything; the new car market is down, but even the depressed volume is substantial.

                      The potential size of the two markets is primarily a function of the populations of the two countries...the USA is 309 million people, and China is 1.34 billion people? Most everyone in the US has one car; maybe two. In China, only a few of the 1.34 billion are lucky to have even one car. But, with industrialization, the Chinese now have money to spend on Lucky Strikes and automobiles instead of rice and bicycles. You don't have to a capitalist to know you would rather own the future of the Chinese automotive market than that of the USA. Sad news for America, but times change, and progress marches on.
                      Last edited by Chuck S.; January 11, 2010, 05:06 PM.

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                      • Paul J.
                        Expired
                        • September 9, 2008
                        • 2091

                        #26
                        Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

                        China is underwriting most of our debt.

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                        • Dick G.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • May 31, 1988
                          • 681

                          #27
                          Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

                          No OSHA, MSHA, EPA, Lawsuits, HHS, on and on and on. Unfair competition.
                          They are taking away our jobs. We don't want pollution over here but they puke it out over there with zero concern. And they have to know the consequences. Couldn't care less. Someone gets killed over there,they hollar NEXT.
                          Being a coal miner for 30 years, we have seen some fatality numbers from China, scary. India is the same and possibly worse. Too Da.. many people.
                          DG

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                          • Henry S.
                            Expired
                            • April 30, 2005
                            • 816

                            #28
                            Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

                            Originally posted by Dick Gutman (13180)
                            No OSHA, MSHA, EPA, Lawsuits, HHS, on and on and on. Unfair competition.
                            They are taking away our jobs. We don't want pollution over here but they puke it out over there with zero concern. And they have to know the consequences. Couldn't care less. Someone gets killed over there,they hollar NEXT.
                            Being a coal miner for 30 years, we have seen some fatality numbers from China, scary. India is the same and possibly worse. Too Da.. many people.
                            DG
                            Dick,
                            When they had the mine accident in Utah back in 2007 I remember hearing a story how when a miner dies in a mine in China they call the family to come and get the body so they don't have to deal with it. Like you said: NEXT!!

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                            • Stewart A.
                              Expired
                              • April 16, 2008
                              • 1035

                              #29
                              Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

                              I have bad news for you guys the Chinese are not going away !!! As for the smog they blow out, you guys have done a pretty good job of polluting the world and using the most fossil fuels by a long shot over the last 50 plus years.
                              It's not just the States that is being effected by the Chinese markets it's a global problem and we just have to think outside the box and use our entrepreneurial brains to adjust for the future markets. Don't forget they have a one baby policy that has been going for decades now and that will drop there population dramatically in the next 20 - 30 years. I know that's a long time away but wasn't the millennium last year ? ( now 10 years gone) Stewy

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                              • Todd B.
                                Expired
                                • February 1, 2005
                                • 59

                                #30
                                Re: Why It's Cheap To Manufacture In China...

                                I took the following photos while in China a couple of years ago. The workers here were repairing tile on the outside wall of the factory.

                                The first photo shows how they modified a stock transfer cart from the plant into a rolling scaffold. They welded an extensionon one end for the worker to stand on (complete with conduit railings and cardboard walls). They wedged a wooden dining chair back frame (arrow) under the metal stretchers beneath the cart and put a welder on top of this chair back for ballast so the cart would not tip over when the worker stood on the platform. Then, they pushed him out thru the open window:



                                The red arrow in next photo shows where he was working:



                                If you think about the fact that the worker was relying on the strength of a wood dining chair back to keep his platform from tipping, it's really a pretty scary thought.

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