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  • David L.
    Expired
    • December 3, 2009
    • 1

    Harmonic Balancer rebuilding of original part.

    The harmonic balancer is the term given to the crankshaft pulley when it includes an external metal ring (usually made of cast iron). This ring may contain flat or V-belt grooves or just be a plain weight.

    Chevrolet only put a harmonic balancer ring on in engine designs where the crankshaft twists more than 1/2 of one degree (from the front of the crankshaft to the back of the crankshaft) at any engine condition. Problem areas are smetimes at idle or at several rpm's under full throttle. The crankshaft has a natural freqouency when struck with a hammer you will hear a ringing sound. You could go to a piano and pick out that frequency. Whenever the cylinders fire at that frequency (RPM/2), or multipuls of that frequency, then the crankshaft vibration is amplified and excessive twisting may occur. The crankshaft rotation motion actually becomes jerky instead of a smooth rotation. This vibration is passed along to other parts of the engine as well as to the transmission and driven wheels. The crankshaft can develop cracks overtime. To protect the engine and crankshaft for this vibration damage, the factory measures vibration in an engine test stand and selects a harmonic balanacer design to dampen this unwanted motion to less than 1/2 degree maximum. The primary design features that regulate this tuned frequency (kind of like a radial tuning fork!) are the thickness of the rubber strip, its hardness (durometer), and the inertial mass (apparent rotating weight) of the harmonic balancer ring.

    Everything is fine until the rubber strip begins to change over time with heat and wear. When the rubber strip begins to harden (change durometer ) its tuned frequency changes and it no longer works to properly dampen the unwanted crankshaft twisting motion.

    A 'rule of thumb' test of the condition of the rubber strip's health is to push your thumbnail into the rubber strip of the harmonic balancer. Originally it was about a 60 durometer hardness, which would feel very firm but flexible, without hurting your tumbnail. When the rubber still feels somewhat flexible but it hurts your thumbnail, it has begun to harden and change the frequency. The rubber can actually harden into a solid mass before the rubber bond breaks and the harmonic balancer ring shifts out of position or slips out of position. The harmonic balancer has practically failed, however, when the rubber durometer begins to change significantly.

    If you want to keep your original harmonic balancer rather than replace with a new replacement unit, there are several firms that can rebuild your original harmonic balancer. The three that I am aware of are Winslow Manufacturing (North Carolina), Damper Doctor (Northern California), and my business: Dale Manufacturing (Salem, Oregon).

    Most customers ship using the post office medium sized 'flat rate box'. The key to safe shipping is to reinforce your shipping box inside on the bottom and sides with heavy hardboard and then to put the flat side down on the bottom of the box. Next for packing, take old newspaper two layers think and crumple into tight balls and pack all around tightly, leaving no emply space in side the box so when closed and securely taped shut, your part can not shake or rattle. You can contact the other rebuilders for their service details.

    I would be glad to answer any specific questiosn relating to harmonic balancers that I might know.

    There is some more general information, including two Chevrolet engine test lab results on harmonic balancer testing on another Chevrolet engine on our web site (www.dalemfg.com)
    Last edited by John W.; December 8, 2009, 12:30 PM. Reason: Deleted Advertising
  • Terry M.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • September 30, 1980
    • 15573

    #2
    Re: Harmonic Balancer rebuilding of original part.

    David,

    That is a very nice explainaion of the operation of a harmonic balancer, up until the last two paragraphs. Have you read the Discussion Board
    Terry

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    • Joe L.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • January 31, 1988
      • 43193

      #3
      Re: Harmonic Balancer rebuilding of original part.

      Originally posted by Terry McManmon (3966)
      David,

      That is a very nice explainaion of the operation of a harmonic balancer, up until the last two paragraphs. Have you read the Discussion Board
      Terry------


      I think it's very excusable in this case. David also presented a wealth of technical information here regarding balancers. In fact, it answers a lot of questions that folks have posted previously. I've not only learned from it but it also confirmed a lot of things I thought I knew, but was not sure about. So, I'd definitely recommend that this post stay on the board.
      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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      • Gary B.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • January 31, 1997
        • 6981

        #4
        Harmonic Balancer rebuilding; blatant advertising

        All,

        I say let the poster remove the last 11 or 12 lines of his post or have the powers that be delete the entire post. It's a slippery slope letting anyone advertise if all they need to do is include a few facts.

        Gary

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        • Tracy C.
          Expired
          • July 31, 2003
          • 2739

          #5
          Re: Harmonic Balancer rebuilding of original part.

          Gary has a good point....

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          • Jeff A.
            Very Frequent User
            • December 31, 1999
            • 312

            #6
            Re: Harmonic Balancer rebuilding of original part.

            I had a balancer come apart on my 69 Z/28 a few years back.
            It ruined the keyway on my crankshaft - that was an expensive failure.

            I use the Damper Dudes in California for EVERY rebuild now.
            That is a good source not already mentioned.

            Don't put an old balancer on a fresh engine - just silly
            My Cars

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            • Michael B.
              Very Frequent User
              • June 18, 2007
              • 400

              #7
              Re: Harmonic Balancer rebuilding of original part.

              This is a great post and I can't see much difference between this and references to people or businesses that have smog equipment, rebuild starters or rebuild fan clutches. We all got that information some how.

              Personally I am more offended that someone would like to block this useful information (with three sources mentioned) than the original post.

              As they described in the academy, there is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.

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              • Gary B.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • January 31, 1997
                • 6981

                #8
                Harmonic Balancer rebuilding; good post after editing

                Michael,

                I agree that it now is a great post, but that's because the offending advertising portion was expunged earlier today by the DB moderator.

                Gary Beaupre

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                • Michael B.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • June 18, 2007
                  • 400

                  #9
                  Re: Harmonic Balancer rebuilding of original part.

                  I guess it's a thin line to walk. I have come here many times for direction, references, and "who does the best..." whatevers. I can also see that advertising could get out of line. I don't have a really good and all encompassing answer so I'll leave it to the moderators to address as the issues arise. I guess I did miss version #1.

                  Mike

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                  • James W.
                    Expired
                    • November 30, 1986
                    • 278

                    #10
                    Re: Harmonic Balancer rebuilding of original part.

                    Originally posted by Michael Brown (47483)
                    I guess it's a thin line to walk. I have come here many times for direction, references, and "who does the best..." whatevers. I can also see that advertising could get out of line. I don't have a really good and all encompassing answer so I'll leave it to the moderators to address as the issues arise. I guess I did miss version #1.

                    Mike
                    I'd hate to see the board become another advertising media. His website address is listed at the bottom, which is the way it should have been done to begin with. The technical information is good, the blatant advertising is not.

                    Jim

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                    • Gary S.
                      Super Moderator
                      • January 31, 1984
                      • 456

                      #11
                      Re: Harmonic Balancer rebuilding of original part.

                      This post has turned from offering a service to the question of does it violate NCRS TDB policy. NCRS has a problem here in my opinion that I have expressed before. When a member posts "who has a part" or "who can fix something" it apparently can't be answered by the person that has the part or can fix that something. But, it is apparently "legal" for someone else to say that another person or company has the part or can fix something. Is this still correct? If so, then that is the way around all this for the initial poster. He should just have someone else write a thread saying "guess who can fix your balancer." Correct me if I am wrong.
                      Last edited by Gary S.; December 9, 2009, 11:44 AM.
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                      • Jeff A.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • December 31, 1999
                        • 312

                        #12
                        Re: Harmonic Balancer rebuilding of original part.

                        No - that is not so.
                        I have on a few occasions informed a member that I had a part they were looking for. As a response to "where can I find this widget?"

                        It is very different to say - yes, I have that for you,
                        then to start a topic - Hey - anyone need this stuff? - I got it.

                        one is helping - the other is advertising.
                        just my opinion, I could be wrong.
                        My Cars

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                        • Gary S.
                          Super Moderator
                          • January 31, 1984
                          • 456

                          #13
                          Re: Harmonic Balancer rebuilding of original part.

                          Originally posted by Jeff Ashen (33409)
                          No - that is not so.
                          I have on a few occasions informed a member that I had a part they were looking for. As a response to "where can I find this widget?"

                          It is very different to say - yes, I have that for you,
                          then to start a topic - Hey - anyone need this stuff? - I got it.

                          one is helping - the other is advertising.
                          just my opinion, I could be wrong.
                          A couple years ago my offer of a part to a poster was pulled by the administratior. It turned me off because other things were being allowed indirectly to do the same thing: saying John Doe has it, or Long Island has it, or "email me" and with the cost too. Maybe things are more relaxed on the DB than they were then. This thread should be proof as this thread was started as an advertisment for his service, an administrator deleted some, but what is left still includes his web site. If you click on the site, the price of the service is the first line. Really how is that different enough to NOT be called advertising? Not only advertising, but DIRECT advertising by a business for profit.

                          My comment about having another person say someone has a part or can provide a service is indirect advertising that seems to go thru without question. Thus my point was the poster could have gone that route. You could have done it for him via your previous post supporting his work...and no questions asked. You could have started the post saying "I found a great place to get a harmonic balancer fixed." Then you could have given all the wording the poster did (and probably had deleted) and the price too and it would have flown without question.

                          Thus, a thin line is being walked here and I would not want to be an administrator.

                          My 2nd 2 cents.

                          Avatar--My first ever vette, owned 3X since 1977, restored 1993-2024. Top Flight Award 9/14/24

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                          • Patrick T.
                            Expired
                            • September 30, 1999
                            • 1286

                            #14
                            Re: Harmonic Balancer rebuilding of original part.

                            So will someone tell me what the difference is between this thread and the other one posted here where someone is hawking a book for sale????

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