chicago corvettes

[Dale C.]

Re: chicago corvettes

Joe and Clem,
I'm not out to win (I have not had it judged nor probably will )I just love my car and don't like being taken advantage of.
Dale

[Clem Z.]

Re: chicago corvettes

Joe and Clem,
I'm not out to win (I have not had it judged nor probably will )I just love my car and don't like being taken advantage of.
Dale

i don't blame you but you can get most all the parts you need,they may not be "correct" from other sources and not have to be "bent over" during the transaction. JMHO. too many people chasing too few "correct" parts cause places like this outfit to stay in business

[Ian G.]

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Clem, Thats kinda like blaming rape on a girl for wearing a skimpy outift. Am I to blame for wanting my corvette to wear a skimpy outift and then this guy rapes me? I guess I better get my corvette a frumpy dress. lol.

[Joe L.]

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if "winning" was not so important to so many people these guys would not be in business because a corvette will run just as good with a incorrectly dated carb as a correctly dated one

clem------


Yes. A Corvette (or any car) will run WAY better with a NEW incorrectly "numbered" and "dated" carburetor than with ANY USED/REBUILT carburetor. Nothing makes a car run like a NEW carburetor.

In that regard, the discontinuation of manufacture of Q-Jet carbs was a MAJOR BLOW to keeping old cars running like new. I've got about 5 new Q-Jets "waiting in the wings", so I'm pretty much set "for the duration", especially since it looks like I'm going to be running a Holley (NEW) for awhile. But, I feel for those who don't have a new carburetor available to them "when the time comes".

I JUST LOVE NEW carburetors, regardless of "dates" or "numbers". In fact, that love is how I ended up with 5 new Q-Jets (and a few more new Holley carbs).

[Timothy B.]

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I am not defending anyone if they have wronged someone, and I agree there is a limit to this numbers correct thing.

But, I see nothing wrong with a owner searching for a authentic part to put on a car that's otherwise original. I am one with this 3810 carburetor thing recently. The experence has taught me much and I enjoy the hunt and restoration just as much as the ride.

Things like carburetors, alternators, regulators etc. were exchange/throw away parts back then.

I have to disagree with Joe about the new carburetor thing. My holley experence has been positive in that once understanding these things it's just making sure the internals are stock, air bleeds and IFR's are not drilled big, surfaces are flat, metering block seals good, adjustments are correct, gaskets are correct, Wait! maybe Joe is correct

[Joe L.]

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I am not defending anyone if they have wronged someone, and I agree there is a limit to this numbers correct thing.

But, I see nothing wrong with a owner searching for a authentic part to put on a car that's otherwise original. I am one with this 3810 carburetor thing recently. The experence has taught me much and I enjoy the hunt and restoration just as much as the ride.

Things like carburetors, alternators, regulators etc. were exchange/throw away parts back then.

I have to disagree with Joe about the new carburetor thing. My holley experence has been positive in that once understanding these things it's just making sure the internals are stock, air bleeds and IFR's are not drilled big, surfaces are flat, metering block seals good, adjustments are correct, gaskets are correct, Wait! maybe Joe is correct

Tim------


What about all the internal passages be completely free from any sort of corrosion or other deterioration and idle mixture valve seats being in the same condition as when new?

[Ian G.]

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One thing we need to keep in perspective as well, is this organization grades people on whether their car is original or not; whether it has all the "right stuff". So to say people deserve to get conned for doing what the organization suggests to do - make their car as close to original as possible - is kind of disingenuous. You could just as easily say people who get conned by Nigerian scammers deserve it as well, because they are greedy, too trusting or don't know how the web works. It's the law of economics that if there is high demand for something, there will be high cost and high chance for fakes. It's especially easy for Chicago Corvettes, since things are purchased sight-unseen from many miles away by post.

Caveat Emptor.

[Clem Z.]

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One thing we need to keep in perspective as well, is this organization grades people on whether their car is original or not; whether it has all the "right stuff". So to say people deserve to get conned for doing what the organization suggests to do - make their car as close to original as possible - is kind of disingenuous. You could just as easily say people who get conned by Nigerian scammers deserve it as well, because they are greedy, too trusting or don't know how the web works. It's the law of economics that if there is high demand for something, there will be high cost and high chance for fakes. It's especially easy for Chicago Corvettes, since things are purchased sight-unseen from many miles away by post.

Caveat Emptor.

you are missing the point,there are so many crooks in the hobby because of the points chasing. too many people chasing too few parts so to satisfy the demand some sellers are taking advantage of buyers. there are only so many original alternators and carbs out there and when the demands outstrips the supply stuff happens and someone get the dirty end of the stick.

[Clem Z.]

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the worst thing that ever happened to this hobby is the B-J auction because now everyone who has a old corvette in the garage thinks if he just gets the "correct" parts he can finance his retirement to some south sea island.

[Pat M.]

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I've got about 5 new Q-Jets "waiting in the wings", so I'm pretty much set "for the duration"

Joe - any for sale? I'M JUST KIDDING!!

the worst thing that ever happened to this hobby is the B-J auction because now everyone who has a old corvette in the garage thinks if he just gets the "correct" parts he can finance his retirement to some south sea island.

Agreed, and it fuels the skyrocketing prices (at least prior to the recession) putting more and more classic Vettes outta reach for nearly everyone.

[Michael W.]

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this organization grades people on whether their car is original or not; whether it has all the "right stuff".

Grades people? What kind of meets have you been going to.

[Gerard F.]

Re: chicago corvettes

Not sure what the relationship is between Al, Mztrcarb, graygracy, Chicago Corvettes, or this new website, Chicago Carburetor:

http://chicagocarburetor.com/carburetor-parts.php?c=2353

They appear to be one in the same.

I have ordered replacement carburetor parts on ebay, and of late, from the online catalog above and calling an order in (even on a Saturday), for numerous small parts. Got to say that I received excellent service and received the order within a week via Fedex.

But I have only ordered replacement parts and not big ticket original items. If you take a look at the online catalog above, where else can you buy individiual replacement parts to a carburetor at fairly reasonable prices.

Maybe something is changing, both the Chicago Corvette and Chicago Carburetor websites are brand new this year.

[Ian G.]

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It's essentially a grade. If you get 94% get Top Flight - an "A". If you get 85% you get a Second Flight - a "B". 75% gets you a Third Flight or a "C". Looks like grades to me.

Clem, I did get the point right?

Joe Ray: "You mean to tell me that Al is taking advantage of the un-knowing or just the gready and they are getting what they deserve?"

Clem: "YES !!!! to both"

You said people that chase points, which is what the grading system is all about, get what the deserve when they get cheated by Al. I read lots of posts from older guys that have had these cars since new, or since the 70's when the cars and parts were cheap and plentiful to sit on a high horse and look down on the newer guys who have to scrape to get these parts, like they are bad for the hobby. Please, lets be real here. This organization created the judging system that places extra value on original parts. I'm not naive in thinking that's the only reason people want original parts, but it certainly contributes. It's really a big competition. I have heard older members - JUDGES mind you -tell me "that's a resto-mobile" and "That car is restored right with original parts". We have derogatory terms for "reproduction", we call it "repop". So if I don't get original parts, I'm looked down on. That's why I say it is disingenous of you to say what you said.

[Ian G.]

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Thats the thing with that guy Gerry, he has good prices, a lot of hard to find stuff, but you have to watch out for him because sometimes he sells fraudulent parts and often ships very slowly. It's a crap shoot with him.

[Michael W.]

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It's essentially a grade. If you get 94% get Top Flight - an "A". If you get 85% you get a Second Flight - a "B". 75% gets you a Third Flight or a "C". Looks like grades to me.

You said grades 'people'. This type of discussion belongs on CF, not here.