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  • Duke W.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • December 31, 1992
    • 15610

    #31
    Re: 1967 427/435 Cam and Lifters

    Originally posted by Joe Raine (45823)
    Duke,

    What is the damper?

    Joe
    I don't think anyone answered this question, so here it is.

    The damper is a wound piece of "flat wire" inside the spring. OE SB springs of the era are this design. The damper coil is an interference fit inside the spring (but has a very low rate - insignificant, in fact, because you can compress them with your fingers), so it creates friction i.e. it acts like a damper - like a resistor in an electrical circuit.

    The purpose of the damper is to mitigate "spring surge". At very high frequencies a spring can develop a standing wave. If severe enough it can cause coil bind and break the spring. The interference fit flat wire damper is a very effective and inexpensive way to get better high rev performance out of a simple, single valve spring.

    There are high speed video clips on the Web showing mild spring surge. You see the spring open and close, but after closing there is a small wave that goes back up the spring. it's damped out prior to the next open cycle, so no problem. If it didn't damp out prior to the next opening cycle there's a possiblity that the spring could break due to coil bind when the valve is being opened and the standing wave is moving up the spring.

    Dual or triple valve springs usually don't have dampers as above, because having multiple springs of different rates provides a good degree of damping without introducing extra friction.

    The single spring/damper works very well on OE SBs, but serious high revving racing SBs are usually set up with multiple springs. The design didn't work out well on BBs, so GM finally went to the second design dual spring, but it took them a good five years to fix the problem with the early single spring/damper design.

    Duke

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    • Joe L.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • January 31, 1988
      • 43193

      #32
      Re: 1967 427/435 Cam and Lifters

      Originally posted by Joe Raine (45823)
      Joe,

      A man has got to know his limitations. Since I am just a lowly EE and this is my first time rebuilding an engine, I have to be very careful. The Comp Cams camshaft probably is just fine. But the Federal-Mogul cam seems a safer bet to me for three reasons. One is the Parkerizing issue that has already been discussed. The second reason is that you guys are my safety net. I get the most help from this web site if I stick with OE or OE equivalent parts. The third one is the break in is more elaborate with the Comp Cams camshaft. They want you to break it in using just the outer portion of the valve spring. After that you install the inner spring as well. It sounds like this isn't necessary with the F-M cam.

      Are you implying that the cam being discussed here is applicable to all 65-71 SHP solid lifter engines?

      Joe

      Joe-----


      All 1965-71 SHP big block cams (i.e. L-78, L-72, L-71, LS-6) use the same profile. There were 2 different cam part numbers, though. The 65-66 had a groove on the rear journal. The 67-71 did not have the groove. Otherwise, they were the same.

      Also, these cams did not just apply to Corvette applications. They were also used for all other SHP, solid lifter big block applications in passenger cars, Chevelles, Camaros, and Chevy II. However, they were not used for "heavy duty" applications (i.e. L-88 and ZL-1).
      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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      • John D.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • November 30, 1979
        • 5507

        #33
        Re: 1967 427/435 Cam and Lifters

        Jeff, Good luck on buying the right cam. Now I am not sure why I even read this thread as I am brainwashed on just FI stuff but for some reason I did. You see I have horrible problems with some customers as they insist on using some aftermarket cam that produces low vacuum. Course when the engine/FI runs like crapola it's my fault.
        I am not one to knock a product but the replacement Comp cam for the Duntov 097 doesn't seem to hit the numbers.
        Now I don't want to get into the middle of a discussion with my mentors here but if it was me I would go to NAPA and buy the cam. That's if you can get it from them. I love the FM cams. If your local NAPA dealer won't order it (mine won't) try a CarQuest store.
        My 63FI car has a nice FM cam. Don't know if it's available any more though.
        Plan B or C Jeff. Look into a nice Elgin Industries cam. I am sure Duke and Joe know about Elgin. Good luck, JD

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        • Erik S.
          Very Frequent User
          • December 31, 2004
          • 407

          #34
          Re: 1967 427/435 Cam and Lifters

          without trying to hijack this thread - would the same apply for shark (68) L71? I am looking for a new "improved" cam......

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          • Joe R.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • May 31, 2006
            • 1822

            #35
            Re: 1967 427/435 Cam and Lifters

            Erik,

            Joe Lucia answered your question two posts prior to yours. At least, he did if you're looking to match the OE cam. What are you trying to accomplish?

            Joe

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            • Joe R.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • May 31, 2006
              • 1822

              #36
              Re: 1967 427/435 Cam and Lifters

              Originally posted by John DeGregory (2855)
              Now I don't want to get into the middle of a discussion with my mentors here but if it was me I would go to NAPA and buy the cam. That's if you can get it from them. I love the FM cams. If your local NAPA dealer won't order it (mine won't) try a CarQuest store.
              My 63FI car has a nice FM cam. Don't know if it's available any more though.
              John,

              I was able to get my Federal-Mogul cam from my local NAPA dealer. You're right, CarQuest can get them too. Or you can get them online at Summit Racing. Someone mentioned another source in this thread as well.

              Joe

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