Engine Pad Restamp

[Michael J.]

Re: Engine Pad Restamp

Michael,
"obviousloy bogus re-stamp" based on?????
Please do and if original to the car, post a pic of the trans stamp, if you would.
HaND

Well, based on most people's opinions here that the "S" is not valid in the engine pad stamp. I will see if I can get back to the car and crawl under to check. But I am still concerned that even if the "S" is on the tranny stamp, that still just shows the possibility that it was faked too in an unusual manner. I am most concerned about paying a premium BB price for a "matching numbers original drivetrain" car and then if and when I try to sell these same problems come up again and I loose mucho dinero. An NOM car is fine, as long as the buyer and seller both understandand the price is discounted accordingly. I guess if someone knows for sure that the factory did stamp early VIN '66 cars with the "S", that makes a big difference. But sounds risky to me to bet on that without evidence by the numbers gurus.

[Tony S.]

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Michael. When I attended Al Grenning's stamp pad seminar at the Killeen, TX Regional, I seem to remember that there was a limited number of C2's that were stamped with the transmission gang stamp. I'm not sure if your car could be included in that small group; however, I'd follow Mike Murray's advice as posted above. I can't speak for either Mike or Roy, but I'd follow their advice and pay attention to what they have to say.

Good luck.
Tony

[Tom H.]

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I can't speak for either Mike or Roy, but I'd follow their advice and pay attention to what they have to say.

Good luck.
Tony

I agree. Sounds like another valuable post for me. I might have just learned something.

[Larry M.]

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Michael. When I attended Al Grenning's stamp pad seminar at the Killeen, TX Regional, I seem to remember that there was a limited number of C2's that were stamped with the transmission gang stamp. I'm not sure if your car could be included in that small group; however, I'd follow Mike Murray's advice as posted above. I can't speak for either Mike or Roy, but I'd follow their advice and pay attention to what they have to say.

Good luck.
Tony

If true that some early 1966 cars have engine VIN derivatives that include an "S", this should be included in the upcoming/new/latest 1966 NCRS Judging Guide. This is valuable information......and this is the first time I have heard of it.

Larry

[Mike M.]

Re: Engine Pad Restamp

Michael
Just trying to help out here and I totally understand your concerns. It is certainly prudent to be overly cautious in these matters. It is also refreshing to see someone perform their due diligence "Before" the fact and not after.
I would defnitely hate to see a potentially "Real BB" get away to become a chopped up "Resto Mod".
Couple of more thoughts, contacting your local Chapter for additional sets of eyes could be helpful and since you will be looking at the car again, could you possibly get a cleaner, brighter shot of the pad, hopefully to provide a better view of the surface.
Good Luck and HaND

[Michael J.]

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I had the seller look and he confirms the tranny is also stamped like the block's VIN derivative. He says that NCRS judges have looked at it before (Maryland was mentioned) and they confirmed it is a valid oddity for early VIN derivative cars in the first few hundred. I think the seller is reputable after all, and the logic of restamping with such an obviously nonconforming VIN derivative holds some water. If you are going to the trouble of restamping, most all would stamp it as a conforming VIN derivative I would think, if you wanted to fool people. This is probably worth taking a chance. Now I need to look over the rest of the car carefully too! Thanks for all the interesting ideas and thoughts here.

[John H.]

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In shopping for a big block '66-'67 I found one that obviously has a restamped pad, I think. I am not familiar with BBs, but on the '66 327s I have seen the VIN is just a 6 followed by the last six digits of the VIN. This '66 427 390HP block has a 6, then the S, and then the last six digits of the VIN. That can't be original, can it?

Yes, it can. I knew I had this buried somewhere, and just found it; this is the pad on an original-owner '66 300hp 3-speed with over 100,000 miles on it, never apart, that we used for a Bowtie judging seminar about four years ago, that was built 27 units before the one you posted (#158 vs. #185).

[Michael J.]

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Yes, it can. I knew I had this buried somewhere, and just found it; this is the pad on an original-owner '66 300hp 3-speed with over 100,000 miles on it, never apart, that we used for a Bowtie judging seminar about four years ago, that was built 27 units before the one you posted (#158 vs. #185).

Wow, what a Sherlock Holmes, thanks for this. I have also found other odd things on the car that prove it a real deal. The body date (A.O.Smith) is stamped A30(August 30, '65), and the Black Book says they started with Bs and shows no As. Interesting these first cars!

[John H.]

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Wow, what a Sherlock Holmes, thanks for this. I have also found other odd things on the car that prove it a real deal. The body date (A.O.Smith) is stamped A30(August 30, '65), and the Black Book says they started with Bs and shows no As.

The NCRS Spec Guide shows "A" (August) A.O. Smith '66 body codes.

[William P.]

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If I were going to buy any Midyear Big Block I think I would make the deal conditional on getting Al Grenning to give his opinion on the pad. He can do it via the internet if you can send him good pictures. His price is quite reasonable .

Bill

[Gary S.]

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I know who has vin 185 and have pictures of the stamp. I also have a picture of vin #318. It has the "S" in the vin stamp too. The 318 vin also is stamped the same assembly date and motor: T0902IL. You be the judge.

Gary

[Michael J.]

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Yep, and after pad cleanup, the broach marks sure look like the real deal. The question is how many in the "first few hundred" were stamped with the "S"? And why this is not documented more in the NCRS docs.

[Gary S.]

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Yep, and after pad cleanup, the broach marks sure look like the real deal. The question is how many in the "first few hundred" were stamped with the "S"? And why this is not documented more in the NCRS docs.

I am sure Mr. Grenning could tell us exactly when. I have been collecting stamps for many years. The first vin I have without the "S" is 374 (and looks original). Since all the others I have after 374 do not have an "S," I would guess it is before 374 they ended. Does anyone have anything else to shed light on this?

[Michael J.]

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I am sure Mr. Grenning could tell us exactly when. I have been collecting stamps for many years. The first vin I have without the "S" is 374 (and looks original). Since all the others I have after 374 do not have an "S," I would guess it is before 374 they ended. Does anyone have anything else to shed light on this?

True, 466 doesn't have it either, so it must be before 374 that they stopped, for some reason?

[Mike G.]

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wow!!! learn something new every day. great post!